[getsmart-l] Energy efficientcy Please HELP withaffordable/workable ALTERNATIVES [escaping the end of suburbia]

[John O'Gorman]

While we are on the subject - various designs of composting toilets et al. 
have included dependence on secondary sources of energy, specifically (that 
I know of) electricity.

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From: "23skidoo" <23skidoo at ica.net>
To: <getsmart-l at list.web.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [getsmart-l] Energy efficientcy Please HELP 
withaffordable/workable ALTERNATIVES [escaping the end of suburbia]


> Re: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:19:38 -0400
> From: "John O'Gorman"
> Subject: Re: [getsmart-l] Energy efficient woodstoves contribute to
> ecoENERGY incentive program
> To:
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> Dear Tony and Stove/Fireplace Designers,
> You do frustrate me, indeed! One of the prime advantages of having an 
> air-tight stove or gas fireplace is that they would keep us warm, 
> protected and fed during the next ice-storm WHEN THE ELECTRICITY IS OFF 
> AGAIN!!!
>
> And what do you do? You design this equipment to be dependent upon 
> electrical energy for ignition or air circulation or fuel delivery or 
> whatever.
>
> Where is the logic in that? Designed by engineers not by people who will 
> be stuck with them. Not to mention energy efficiency and "off-the-grid" 
> independence!!??
>
> Regards,
> John
> ***
>
> Hi John and other getsmart listserve participants,
>
> this email is rather timely for me and a few people trying to ecape the 
> nuclear grid the oil barrons and the gas thieves avec entangling 
> monopolies and other assorted obvious complications with the permacultural 
> procession of humankind
> Please consider helping with the following conundrum we collectively face 
> in mainiianing our GREEN 'revolution' / quiet turnover.
>
> [ WE all don't like electrical, oil or gas] Whats left other than 
> dangerous volatile Propane systems? area specific wind power and solar 
> systems will not be sufficient since ( we live in a forested area in "the 
> BIG WOOD')  with winnie the pooh
> !!!URGENTLY SEARCHING!!!
> FOR Alternative heating systems for places which have intermitent power 
> outages
> Anyone have any suggestions.. I have a woodstove already but it will not 
> keep the water system warm when I am away:( I know of the geo thermal idea 
> but the $20,000 price tag is prohibitive in price even with the $7,000 - 
> $8,000 rebate from the "green" feds
 any and all suggestions would be helpful and kindly considered.
>
> Sincere thanks in advance for participating...We're all in this together
>
> steven kaasgaard , looking for a safe warm way out of suburbia
> 23skidoo at ica.net
> ***
>
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