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class=140371215-28112008>Linda,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=140371215-28112008> I would tend to believe the field
staff, the vast majority of times there is a way to accommodate the tree, it
just costs money. Understandably the engineering project management staff
will take the expedient route in the planning and implementation of the project
in consideration of all sorts of values, particularly monetary. Hence the
need for green infrastructure advocates (arborists) to affirm the value of
the tree, environmental, social and economic, with the engineers and
fairly and firmly encourage them to explore alternatives in construction.
No easy task for the engineers to make a decision when they are expected to
come in on budget and spend the tax dollars wisely. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=140371215-28112008> The urban consulting arborist
needs to be reasonably well versed in engineering contraction standards and
methods, at least to the point of suggesting alternatives to the
engineers. This could be a topic that needs more attention at tree
symposiums and conferences- how often have you seen an engineer presenting at
one, outlining there interests, concerns, and challenges, and what they go thru
from their perspective in saving
trees. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=140371215-28112008> I find it valuable to build a
respectful relationship with the engineers, one where a greater mutual
understanding of values and needs is the foundation.
Essentially, 'walking a mile' in each other's shoes.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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class=140371215-28112008> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=140371215-28112008> With each
community outcry there is a subsequent motivation for engineers to improve their
processes, and an opportunity for urban forestry folks to collaborate with
them in doing so. It sounds like the timing may be right
to offer to do so. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greg Ward</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Manager,
Urban Forestry and Environmental Programs</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>City of Surrey, B.C.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>604 501
5170</FONT> </P>
<P><I><FONT face=Arial size=2>'Nature matters,</FONT></I> <BR><I><FONT
face=Arial size=2>protect, enhance, enjoy'</FONT></I> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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class=140371215-28112008> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Moskalyk, Linda (IS - Parks)<BR><B>Sent:</B> November 27, 2008 9:07
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'canufnet@list.web.net'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [CANUFNET] Removal
of trees for replacement of water lines<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV>We recently had a valuable American elm removed from our boulevard
because the engineers (management) made a decision to replace a hydrant and
insisted the tree beside it would have to come down. Our urban forestry people
were told that they needed to excavate 4 feet on each side of the hydrant to
replace it. The tree was only 2 feet away. We reluctantly removed
the tree, and now there is an uproar from the community. As the tree was
coming down some of the enginneers (field workers this time) came along and
said they probably could have worked within that 2 foot area. Its hard
to know who to believe. Alternately, could the hydrant have been capped
off and the line rerouted to a new location? We are arbortists and don't
know the options when it comes to sewer and water. We want to have the
knowledge and ability to argue for alternative methods that could potentially
save the trees. Is there any good information or advice on the
subject?</DIV>
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<DIV>Linda Moskalyk</DIV>
<DIV>Certified Arborist</DIV>
<DIV>Urban Forestry Section</DIV>
<DIV>Parks Dept.</DIV>
<DIV>City of Saskatoon</DIV>
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