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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think this hits the nail on the
head. I organized a presentation for the superintendents and foremen from
Engineering at City hall who plan the work and these from Operations who
implement it. Mike James did James Urban’s presentation which many
of us have on CD from his presentation in Victoria. My purpose in doing
this was to get them all in one room and answer their concerns and
questions. I had 12 people and they learned a little about why we value
trees and all discussed how soil cells and other alternative ways to plan trees
into the infrastructure. No one method works in all situations. We
have to take a problem solving approach and address the concerns, questions and
cost comparisons over time. I learned that replacing concrete sidewalk panels
cost (ballpark) $3000. I had thought the cost of soil cells or structural soil
would be prohibitive in their minds but compared to replacing sidewalks it
makes sense to plan for a proper medium for trees to grow in and you won’t
have sidewalk problems. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway, budgets are very real
concern. We all answer to the taxpayer and we have to have a good
business case including of course the rather objective value of trees.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> It was a successful meeting.
There are some progressive thinkers who are trying to make changes in how we integrate
trees into development.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We move forward inch by inch.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ward, Greg<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> November 28, 2008 10:46 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Canadian Urban Forest Network<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [CANUFNET] Removal of
trees for replacement of water lines</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> I would tend to believe
the field staff, the vast majority of times there is a way to accommodate the
tree, it just costs money. Understandably the engineering project
management staff will take the expedient route in the planning and
implementation of the project in consideration of all sorts of values,
particularly monetary. Hence the need for green infrastructure advocates
(arborists) to affirm the value of the tree, environmental, social and
economic, with the engineers and fairly and firmly encourage them to
explore alternatives in construction. No easy task for the engineers
to make a decision when they are expected to come in on budget and spend the
tax dollars wisely. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> The urban
consulting arborist needs to be reasonably well versed in engineering
contraction standards and methods, at least to the point of suggesting
alternatives to the engineers. This could be a topic that needs more
attention at tree symposiums and conferences- how often have you seen an
engineer presenting at one, outlining there interests, concerns, and
challenges, and what they go thru from their perspective in saving
trees. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> I find it valuable to
build a respectful relationship with the engineers, one where a greater
mutual understanding of values and needs is the foundation.
Essentially, 'walking a mile' in each other's
shoes. With each community outcry there is a subsequent
motivation for engineers to improve their processes, and an opportunity
for urban forestry folks to collaborate with them in doing
so. It sounds like the timing may be right to offer to do
so. </span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Greg Ward <br>
Manager, Urban Forestry and Environmental Programs <br>
City of Surrey, B.C. <br>
604 501 5170 </span></font></p>
<p><i><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-style:italic'>'Nature matters,</span></font></i><font
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color:blue'> <br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>protect, enhance, enjoy'</span></i>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> -----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Moskalyk, Linda (IS - Parks)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> November 27, 2008 9:07 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'canufnet@list.web.net'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [CANUFNET] Removal of
trees for replacement of water lines</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>We recently had a valuable American elm removed from our
boulevard because the engineers (management) made a decision to replace a
hydrant and insisted the tree beside it would have to come down. Our urban
forestry people were told that they needed to excavate 4 feet on each side of
the hydrant to replace it. The tree was only 2 feet away. We
reluctantly removed the tree, and now there is an uproar from the
community. As the tree was coming down some of the enginneers (field
workers this time) came along and said they probably could have worked within
that 2 foot area. Its hard to know who to believe. Alternately,
could the hydrant have been capped off and the line rerouted to a new
location? We are arbortists and don't know the options when it comes to
sewer and water. We want to have the knowledge and ability to argue for
alternative methods that could potentially save the trees. Is there
any good information or advice on the subject?</span></font></p>
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