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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Planted too deep plus a girdling root,
just a matter of time…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><i><font size=2 color=green face=Papyrus><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Papyrus;color:green;font-style:italic'>'If you would know strength
and patience, welcome the company of trees." Hal Borland</span></font></i><font
color=blue><span style='color:blue'> <br>
</span></font><b><font color=blue face=Papyrus><span style='font-family:Papyrus;
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Elaine Johnson</span></font></b><font color=blue><span
style='color:blue'> <br>
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color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Urban Forester</span></font></b><font color=blue><span
style='color:blue'> <br>
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color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Parks Planning and <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Technical</st1:PlaceName>
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bold'> of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Red Deer</st1:place></st1:City></span></font></b><font
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</span></font><b><font color=blue face=Papyrus><span style='font-family:Papyrus;
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Trevor Thistle<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> March 28, 2011 2:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Canadian
Urban Forest Network</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANUFNET] Planting
depth</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>A picture is worth a
thousand words. Here is an American elm that was planted too deep, leading to
its failure during a wind storm in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Edmonton</st1:place></st1:City>
in July 2009 . This tree showed no obvious signs of stress before it failed,
increasing its hazard potential. The leaves are wilted because the tree was
lying in the sun for a few days before the forestry unit was notified. </span></font><span
lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I hope these photos are
useful to everyone.</span></font><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color=blue><span style='color:blue'> </span></font><font size=1 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>B.Sc.
(Forestry)</span></font><font color=blue><span lang=EN-CA style='color:blue'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Urban Forester & ISA Certified Arborist</span></font><font
color=blue><span lang=EN-CA style='color:blue'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The City of Edmonton, Asset Management and Public
Works</span></font><font color=blue><span lang=EN-CA style='color:blue'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>River Valley Forestry and Environmental Services</span></font><font
color=blue><span lang=EN-CA style='color:blue'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Email: trevor.thistle@edmonton.ca</span></font><font
color=blue><span lang=EN-CA style='color:blue'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ph: (780) 944-7833</span></font><font color=blue><span
lang=EN-CA style='color:blue'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Fax: (780) 496-4978</span></font><font
color=blue><span lang=EN-CA style='color:blue'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Cell: (780) 913-5893</span></font><font
color=blue><span style='color:blue'> </span></font><span lang=EN-CA><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Susan Murray<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 28, 2011 10:13
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Canadian
Urban Forest Network</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANUFNET] Planting
depth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>I agree with the
majority of writers. Planting too deeply here on the west coast is problematic.
I have been teaching students to plant trees at a depth that exposes the
top most root as per Gilman's work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] on
behalf of Philip van Wassenaer [pwassenaer1022@rogers.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 28, 2011 8:28
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Canadian
Urban Forest Network</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANUFNET] Planting
depth</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I am with Gilman on
this one. Too deep almost always causes problems, a little shallow, hardly any.
That is coming back anecdotally here too.</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'>Philip
van Wassenaer, B.SC., MFC</span></font></b><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>1248 Minnewaska
Trail</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Mississauga</span></font></st1:City><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>, <st1:State w:st="on">Ontario</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font
color=black><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Tel: (905)
274-1022</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Cell: (647) 221 3046</span></font><font
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><a
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> canufnet-bounces@list.web.net
[mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Ian Wilson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 28, 2011 10:52
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Canadian
Urban Forest Network</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANUFNET] Planting
depth</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Thanks. In my
view Gilman is correct. In the last several years we have been removing
lots of excess soil from the root ball and haven’t seen any issues with root
crown injury. </span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Ian Wilson</span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>City of <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kelowna</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> canufnet-bounces@list.web.net
[mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Braaten, Lorilee (IS - Parks)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 28, 2011 7:21
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Canadian
Urban Forest Network</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANUFNET] Planting
depth</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-CA
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dr. Hannah Mathers
stated at the SNLA conference that the root shank (area of exposed root tissue
that results from production practices) should never be exposed above the soil
line because it may be the cause of increased crown injury. She explained that
it may not be cold hardy, may be prone to sunscald or easily injured by
herbicides. I have not seen any increase of injury to this exposed root crown
area and can not justify changing our planting practices when I have seen the
issues of planting too deep.</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Behalf Of </span></b>Ian Wilson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> March 25, 2011 1:58 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> canufnet@list.web.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANUFNET] Planting depth</span></font><font
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lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I'm familiar with the Gilman
work, what is the other view you mentioned?<br>
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Ian Wilson<br>
City of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kelowna</st1:place></st1:City><br>
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From: canufnet-bounces@list.web.net <canufnet-bounces@list.web.net><br>
To: 'canufnet@list.web.net' <canufnet@list.web.net><br>
Sent: Fri Mar 25 12:12:53 2011<br>
Subject: [CANUFNET] Planting depth<br>
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Hello everyone,<br>
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I have recently attended to two seminars, one with Dr. Ed Gilman and one with
Dr. Hanna Mathers. The two have very different views on planting depth.<br>
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I would like to hear others opinions on planting trees at the same depth as
previously planted vs. planting higher (at or near the root flare). It
seems there may be possible problems associated with either practice when
planting container or bareroot trees and some issues may be species
specific. We have had good results with planting depth near the root
flare and have not experienced any issues because of it. I am interested
in your comments.<br>
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Lorilee Braaten<br>
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Nursery Technician, Urban Forestry<br>
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City of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Saskatoon</st1:place></st1:City><br>
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1101 Ave P North. <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Saskatoon</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">Sk.</st1:State></st1:place> S7L 7K6<br>
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cell: (306)220 6318<br>
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fax: (306)975 3034</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-CA
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