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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the photos James, it is heartening to see some
examples where trees take priority<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ian Wilson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>City of Kelowna<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>James Urban<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 11, 2011 5:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Canadian Urban Forest Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET] High density housing and tree planting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>A couple of points to consider:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This image is simply to indicate that trees can grow quite
successfully near buildings in very tight spaces if a number of conditions are
met. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Obviously the ambient soil (type and volume) in this
location is sufficient otherwise the tree would not have grown. We need
to to better understand existing soil conditions when making judgements on if
there is sufficient soil. We need to better understand how to modify the
existing conditions to make it better when it is not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>In this a section of town this image is replicated many
times over a long history of tree growth. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This section of town has some of the cities highest property
values and that seems to say there is a strong preference or satisfaction for
this condition.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The trees are in the public ROW. Yes, cars do drive
down that alley. Note it is not a street but an alley, but those are the
front doors to the town homes. The town houses are over 100 years old.
The trees vary in age but are growing slowly and are replaced when they
need to be. I am going to guess that the replacement cycle is 30-50
years.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think species is not relevant to this image vis a vis the
canadian experience. You have trees that can do this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes, this image compromises many urban standards, but it is
those standards that almost always favor utilities and automobiles at the
expense of trees and people. It is the standards that we need to
challenge not that trees cannot be grown in denser spaces. Is this an
ideal condition for trees, no but far better for the residents that no trees.
Please do not think that I am proposing that we can design cities this
way, only to illustrate what is possible if the designers were to understand
all the issues, design to those issues and the standards allow the tree and
pedestrian win.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Attached, below, is another example of large trees in dense
areas, this time on a street with parking on both sides. Note that on one
side of the street there are power lines in the trees. These homes are
some of the most expensive homes in Annapolis. This block is one of the
most favored by walkers in the city despite the narrow irregular sidewalks.
Examples like these can be found in Toronto. The owners fight for
these trees.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><img width=320 height=240
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
Jim Urban<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Urban Trees + Soils<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>410 263 4838<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 10, 2011, at 8:17 PM, John & Carolyn Howden
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Agreed. It would also appear that this picture also touches
on a previous issue that was addressed not too long ago and that being the need
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for adequate soil exposure around the base of the tree. <br>
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Bohdan Kowalyk wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>More
information is needed about the details (history, species, sites, ownership,
satisfaction with) of this Philadelphia example and other similar ones
elsewhere to see how relevant they may be compared with current
urban requirements and standards.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bohdan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:urbantree@toad.net"
title="urbantree@toad.net">James Urban</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net" title="canufnet@list.web.net">Canadian
Urban Forest Network</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, April 10,
2011 3:40 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [CANUFNET] High
density housing and tree planting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Friends <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Please note the following example from Philadelphia Pa.
Densification does not mean you cannot plant trees or even grow trees.
it is all about the resources needed to accomplish the goals not that
they cannot be accomplished<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
Jim Urban<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Urban Trees + Soils<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>410 263 4838<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 8, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Ian Wilson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We’ve had some similar issues in Kelowna, because much of the
new development is happening on hillsides. In these areas, the roads are
narrower and so are the building lots. In some cases we’ve said we don’t
want street trees because it’s too narrow. However you might be able to
work with your development bylaw and require that the trees get planted
elsewhere on the private property (in the back yard) if there’s enough
space. That way you still get the environmental benefits but not the
maintenance costs.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ian Wilson</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>City of Kelowna</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net">canufnet-bounces@list.web.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net">mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Nielsen, Astrid<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Friday, April 08,
2011 8:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net">canufnet@list.web.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[CANUFNET] High
density housing and tree planting</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi
urban foresters,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>With
a mandate of intensification, our City of Ottawa planning department is facing
pressure to decrease the setbacks from home to the city right-of-ways down to 3
m. This would mean that trees could be planted as close as 3.5 m from the home,
which could cause complications down the road from a tree trimming perspective.
Are other jurisdictions facing this same pressure, and if so, how close to the
homes are you allowing trees to be planted?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I
would be interested to know if other jurisdictions have developed species
specific guidelines for how close trees can be planted to homes. Any
information on this would be very useful. Thanks!</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Astrid Nielsen, RPF | Forester | Forestry Services | City of Ottawa
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