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It will depend upon whether or not the provincial legislation
supercedes municipal bylaws, and whether or not the Act applies to
municipal / private land. It may be a mistake to assume that the
Provincial act does not apply until you know for sure. Even if it
seems ridiculous, a judge might find s/he had no option but to
accept it in some situations.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">On Behalf of Dunster and Associates Environmental Consultants Ltd.
Dr. Julian A Dunster R.P.F., M.C.I.P., ISA Certified Arborist,
ASCA Registered Consulting Arborist # 378,
PNWISA Certified Tree Risk Assessor # 1.
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On 22/12/2011 8:33 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pwynnyczuk@richmondhill.ca">pwynnyczuk@richmondhill.ca</a> wrote:
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cite="mid:OF892EEB8B.647F28A8-ON8525796E.00597885-8525796E.005AFE17@richmondhill.ca"
type="cite"><font face="sans-serif" size="2">It seems we are using
to 2 different Acts
to address the same issue, Forestry Act and Municipal Act </font>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">The question posed was related to
co-ownership
between the Municipality and the Private Land Owner.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">As municipalities are empowered
to create
Bylaws under the Municipal Act, typically this is the route
chosen
for tree issues.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">I'm not clear on how many urban
municipalities
would use the Forestry Act to base any tree bylaws on at this
point.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">Therefore the appropriate wording
in
the Bylaw, under the Municipal Act, along with a policy and
agreement
program sounds like the way to go for co-Municipal/ Private tree
ownership.
Reality being, until it is tested in Court, its only a
guideline
in my understanding.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">In light of the emerging EAB
nightmare,
this will become more critical for all parties involved as the
municipality
has a tendency to have greater risk for users of the roadway if
tree failure
at or near the street line occurs. </font>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">Therefore, where there are close
or
shared trees someone will have to decide on the significant
costs/risks
and who is responsible for action.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">I went off topic but still very
relevant...... </font>
<br>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="2">Regards,<br>
Peter Wynnyczuk</font>
<br>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="1">Urban Forestry Supervisor</font>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="1">Town of Richmond Hill</font>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="1">Community Services Department</font>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="1">Telephone: 905 780-2930</font>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="1">Fax: 905 780-2928</font>
<br>
<font face="sans-serif" size="1">Internet:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pwynnyczuk@richmondhill.ca">pwynnyczuk@richmondhill.ca</a></font>
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<br>
<font color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif" size="1">From:
</font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">"Philip van Wassenaer"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pwassenaer1022@rogers.com"><pwassenaer1022@rogers.com></a></font>
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<font color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif" size="1">To:
</font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">"'Stephen Smith'"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Stephen@ufora.ca"><Stephen@ufora.ca></a>, "'Canadian Urban Forest Network'"
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<font color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif" size="1">Date:
</font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">12/22/2011 10:52 AM</font>
<br>
<font color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif" size="1">Subject:
</font><font face="sans-serif" size="1">Re: [CANUFNET]
Municipal tree ownership/responsibility</font>
<br>
<font color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif" size="1">Sent by:
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<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">What is that partial
answer?
To me the Forestry Act could only help for a removal of a
boundary tree…how
do we define injury and if we can, how do we define the loss to
one owner
when the other owner commits the offending act? They both have
rights to
the tree.</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Based on Alex’s
comments
our research and discussion we have had with Dianne Saxe, the
act is rarely
enforced and if it is, compensation never seems to amount to
much. What
we need is precedent setting case somewhere that recognizes that
“trees
have standing” and upholds the rights of a tree owner to not
have their
property destroyed by something that only benefits their
neighbour….</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Maybe you can
explain a little
more Stephen how you have used the act in practice, or the
partial answer.</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Cheers,</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2"><b>Philip van
Wassenaer,
B.SC., MFC</b></font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">1248 Minnewaska
Trail</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Mississauga, Ontario</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Canada, L5G 3S5</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Tel: (905) 274-1022</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Cell: (647) 221 3046</font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Fax: (905) 274 2170</font>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Smith<b><br>
Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:41 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Canadian Urban Forest Network<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree
ownership/responsibility</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="3">But it does provide a partial answer
to
what to do when one owner wants to butcher a tree along a
property line
because he doesn’t want anything overhanging his property and
the other
one wants to keep the tree healthy.</font>
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<font face="Calibri" size="3">Stephen Smith<br>
Urban Forest Associates Inc.<br>
Urban Forestry and Ecological Restoration<br>
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face="Calibri" size="3">www.ufora.ca</font></a>
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<br>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> </font><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:a.satel@utoronto.ca"><font
color="blue" face="Tahoma" size="2"><u>Alex
Satel</u></font></a><font face="Tahoma" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 20,
2011
10:48 AM</font>
<br>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>To:</b> </font><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net"><font
color="blue" face="Tahoma" size="2"><u>'Canadian
Urban Forest Network'</u></font></a><font face="Tahoma"
size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET]
Municipal
tree ownership/responsibility</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Terry,</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Thanks for pointing
this
out, as it poses an interesting challenge to how communities
might define
‘ownership’ of trees. </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Clearly this isn’t a
legal
analysis (as I’m not a lawyer), but it seems to me that none of
the by-law
or policy definitions of tree ownership, as defined by
municipalities,
are actually framed under this legislation, and this appears to
be the
only law in Ontario that actually addresses how tree ownership
should be
determined. The disconnect seems to be that a municipality can’t
actually
claim ‘ownership’ over a tree if any part of it is on a boundary
line;
by definition these trees are ‘common property’ and I would
think that
both owners have equal rights to the tree. In practice, I can
only see
this becoming an issue if the tree is scheduled for removal by
municipal
crews without the co-owner’s consent. I suppose this is why the
City of
Toronto and others request sign-off before they undertake
maintenance on
shared trees.</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">An interesting
issue, to
be sure.</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">Thanks again to
everyone
for their responses. Keep ‘em coming!</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">And thanks to Andy
for his
continual work moderating this list. </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#004080" face="Calibri" size="2">-Alex</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"><b>Alex Satel, MFC</b><i><br>
ISA Certified Arborist ON-1353A</i></font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">Urban Forest Innovations Inc.</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">1248 Minnewaska Trail<br>
Mississauga, ON L5G 3S5</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">T: (905) 274-1022</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">C: (416) 452-8054</font>
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color="#3f8080" face="Calibri" size="2"><u>asatel@ufis.ca</u></font></a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Schwan, Terry (MNR)<b><br>
Sent:</b> December 20, 2011 8:53 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Canadian Urban Forest Network<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree
ownership/responsibility</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
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<font color="#000080" face="Arial" size="2">Alex</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#000080" face="Arial" size="2">In Ontario you should
consider
Section 10 of the Forestry Act. </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b>Boundary trees</b></font>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" name="P58_7221"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true" name="s10s1"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/french/elaws_statutes_90f26_f.htm#s10s1"
target="_top"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b><u>10.</u></b></font></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/french/elaws_statutes_90f26_f.htm#s10s1"
target="_top"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>
(1)</u></font></a><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
An owner
of land may, with the consent of the owner of adjoining land,
plant trees
on the boundary between the two lands. 1998, c. 18, Sched. I, s.
21.</font>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b>Trees common property</b></font>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" name="P60_7410"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true" name="s10s2"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/french/elaws_statutes_90f26_f.htm#s10s2"
target="_top"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>(2)</u></font></a><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3">
Every tree whose trunk is growing on the boundary between
adjoining
lands is the common property of the owners of the adjoining
lands. 1998,
c. 18, Sched. I, s. 21.</font>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><b>Offence</b></font>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" name="P62_7591"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true" name="s10s3"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/french/elaws_statutes_90f26_f.htm#s10s3"
target="_top"><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><u>(3)</u></font></a><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3">
Every person who injures or destroys a tree growing on the
boundary
between adjoining lands without the consent of the land owners
is guilty
of an offence under this Act. 1998, c. 18, Sched. I, s. 21.</font>
<br>
<font color="#000080" face="Arial" size="2">Terry</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">Terry Schwan,
R.P.F.,
M. Sc.</font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">District
Forester</font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">Guelph District</font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">Ministry of
Natural
Resources</font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">One Stone Road
West</font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">Guelph, Ontario</font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">N1G 4Y2</font>
<br>
<font color="#000080" face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">Phone:
519-826-4933</font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">Fax:
519-826-4929</font>
<br>
<font color="#008000" face="Book Antiqua" size="2">Email:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:terry.schwan@ontario.ca">terry.schwan@ontario.ca</a></font>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Satel<b><br>
Sent:</b> December 14, 2011 2:16 PM<b><br>
To:</b> 'Canufnet'<b><br>
Subject:</b> [CANUFNET] Municipal tree
ownership/responsibility</font>
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<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">Hello all,</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">I am interested to know how your
community
determines tree ownership and assigns responsibility for
maintenance, particularly
with regard to street trees. </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">Many communities operate on the
principle
that if 50% or more of the stem is on public property, the tree
is a City
asset and a municipal responsibility. Does your community work
differently?
If so, do you maintain street trees if less than 50% of the stem
is on
municipal land, or if only if the tree is wholly on City
property? Has
your community at any point transitioned from one approach to
another,
and if so, did that significantly change the workload for your
forestry
crews?</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">Any insights into this issue would
be greatly
appreciated. Thanks for your consideration, and best wishes for
the holidays.</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">--Alex</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"> </font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2"><b>Alex Satel, MFC</b><i><br>
ISA Certified Arborist ON-1353A</i></font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">Urban Forest Innovations Inc.</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">1248 Minnewaska Trail<br>
Mississauga, ON L5G 3S5</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">T: (905) 274-1022</font>
<br>
<font face="Calibri" size="2">C: (416) 452-8054</font>
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