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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As I represent the ISAO RPAC, my comments are that if we use the Trunk Formula Method then only the Species Factor would be affected if the tree was still without EAB. As we do not have up to date Species Survey information then we used published lists and there are more than what is in the outdated regional supplement to the 8th edition.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>An agreed upon discount would be best served rather than an individual opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>regards Jack Radecki RCA 342<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Philip van Wassenaer<br><b>Sent:</b> February-03-12 5:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Canadian Urban Forest Network'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET] Ash tree appraisal - do you discount?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How much do we discount?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Philip van Wassenaer, B.SC., MFC<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1248 Minnewaska Trail<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mississauga, Ontario<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Canada, L5G 3S5<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tel: (905) 274-1022<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cell: (647) 221 3046<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fax: (905) 274 2170<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://urbanforestinnovations.com/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=153 height=73 id="Picture_x0020_15" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CCE4B7.1CF2E410" alt="Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: UFI new logo very small"></span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.ufis.ca/soil2012.php"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=300 height=174 id="Picture_x0020_16" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CCE4B7.1CF2E410" alt="Description: cid:image002.jpg@01CCDCE4.9E27BB80"></span></a><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net">canufnet-bounces@list.web.net</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net]">[mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:pwynnyczuk@richmondhill.ca">pwynnyczuk@richmondhill.ca</a><br><b>Sent:</b> February-03-12 4:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> Canadian Urban Forest Network<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET] Ash tree appraisal - do you discount?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi Alex,</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>At this point in my opinion we do have to discount the species due to the high susceptibility to EAB and the added cost of retention through EAB control/eradication process.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Unlike DED which is transported by an insect and the disease may be contained by the tree or slows down the movement within the tree, if vigorous. EAB unfortunately out eats any tree containment measures which leads to the death of the tree.</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Based on the above one less species of value in our pallette.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards,<br>Peter Wynnyczuk</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Urban Forestry Supervisor</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Town of Richmond Hill</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Community Services Department</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Telephone: 905 780-2930</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Fax: 905 780-2928</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Internet: <a href="mailto:pwynnyczuk@richmondhill.ca">pwynnyczuk@richmondhill.ca</a></span> <br><br><br><br><br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>From: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"Alex Satel" <<a href="mailto:asatel@ufis.ca">asatel@ufis.ca</a>></span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>To: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><<a href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net">canufnet@list.web.net</a>></span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Date: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>02/03/2012 02:58 PM</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Subject: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>[CANUFNET] Ash tree appraisal - do you discount?</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Sent by: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net">canufnet-bounces@list.web.net</a></span> <o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi all,</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>A question for anyone who is involved in preparing/reviewing CTLA-based appraisals (e.g., trunk formula method) of ash trees: <b><i>How have you considered Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) in your valuations of healthy looking ash?</i></b> </span><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It would be interesting to see if there is some consensus about how to proceed; should we start discounting the species ratings because ‘all ash are doomed’? Or should we still consider each tree on its individual merits and outwardly-visible condition, even though it may already be infested and not yet showing symptoms? How do we account for the fact that many (if not most) ash trees will become liabilities once infested/dead? </span><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Personally, I am somewhat hesitant to start discounting still-healthy trees because of susceptibility to a pest (after all, many elms have survived), but it is generally accepted that we will lose most of our urban ash trees, and this may be fair to consider that when assessing value.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Any thoughts and experiences would be greatly appreciated. </span><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kind regards,</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Alex</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <br><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Alex Satel, MFC</span></b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>ISA Certified Arborist ON-1353A</span></i> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Urban Forest Innovations Inc.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1248 Minnewaska Trail<br>Mississauga, ON L5G 3S5</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>T: (905) 274-1022</span> <br><a href="mailto:asatel@ufis.ca"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3F8080'>asatel@ufis.ca</span></a> <br><a href="http://www.urbanforestinnovations.com/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3F8080'>www.urbanforestinnovations.com</span></a> <br><img border=0 width=153 height=73 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image003.jpg@01CCE4B7.1CF2E410" alt="Description: UFI new logo very small"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>