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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello folks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Again the Ontario supplement to the CTLA 8th edition is out of date and redundant. WE now only use the Species Rating Chart ( note there are other species rating charts available from past OSTC/ISA Canada work )<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The updated guidance for use with the CTLA 9th edition is on the ISAO website as Alex has indicated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>regards Jack Radecki<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ISAO RPAC Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> canufnet-bounces@list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Oliver Reichl<br><b>Sent:</b> June-09-12 11:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> Canadian Urban Forest Network<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET] CTLA appraisals in Ontario<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Alex/Ian/John for your replies. Some comments:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>1) ISAO is apparently out of supplements and all they gave me was a photocopy of the list of species ratings. No worksheet. Anyone have a pdf of the whole supplement and wanna share?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2) Things started with native species on this site, and I'm very partial to keeping it that way. Of course, I'd also prefer stock from locally sourced seed. I chose <i>Ulmus americana</i> 'Princeton' because its apparently DED resistent, still the same species, and available in the client's area, even if it probably isn't genetically "local".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3) For sumac, in the absence of a worksheet, I'm leaning towards the species rating for Tree-of-Heaven (because of similar leaf shape, similarly soft-wooded, and its low rating).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>4) Both "scrubby" and "tree form" Manitoba maples occur on the site. I like Alex's <i>Acer</i> alternates, and am also considering <i>A. saccharinum</i>. Basswood has also been suggested to me, I presume because its similarly soft-wooded and also inclined to be multi-stemmed).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>5) Yes, big quotes take time to put together, but I definitely share Ian's opinion on this. Paying for one quote is one thing, but 3x or more can get pricey pretty quick. I think my future response will be to spontaneously levy a "quote administration fee" equal to the amount someone wants for submitting a quote. They probably won't like that one bit, but odds are that anyone who's that focused on profiteering isn't gonna be your lowest quote anyway.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Oliver K. Reichl, B.E.S.(Hons)<br>Consulting Arborist-Ecologist<br>ISA Certified Arborist #ON-1178A<br>18 Larue Mills Rd.<br>1000 Islands, ON K0E 1R0<br>Tel: <a href="tel:613-923-8833" target="_blank">613-923-8833</a><br>Email: <a href="mailto:careofthetrees@gmail.com" target="_blank">careofthetrees@gmail.com</a><br>Web: <a href="http://www.oliverkilian.com/treecare" target="_blank">www.oliverkilian.com/treecare</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Hennessy, John <<a href="mailto:John.Hennessy@brampton.ca" target="_blank">John.Hennessy@brampton.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ian and Oliver,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have been monitoring our Zelkovia over the past two years. Not a long history, however we have had enough winter kill in exposed areas to adjust our expectations . Our Zelkovia planted in the spring did moderately better than those planted in the fall. However, any Zelkovia planted with open north westerly exposure, did poorly.(60%mortality, 30% pedestal suckering mess’s!). </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is the second positive comment with regards to ‘sensation’. We will be adding ‘sensation to our list 2013, thank you. Our ‘pioneer’ and ‘homestead’ are hardy where the Zelkovia fell short. We use all three, in desirable and undesirable sites, to continue to diversify. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John Hennessy</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>City of Brampton</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Forestry Inspector</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ISA ON1193a </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net" target="_blank">canufnet-bounces@list.web.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net" target="_blank">canufnet-bounces@list.web.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian Wilson<br><b>Sent:</b> 2012/06/05 10:54 AM</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><br><b>To:</b> 'Canadian Urban Forest Network'<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>Subject:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Re: [CANUFNET] CTLA appraisals in Ontario<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Oliver,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In the Pacific NW ISA Chapter we gave staghorn sumac a rating of 55. In my area (interior British Columbia) sumac is somewhat invasive and I would tend to rate it lower, although I have seen it used successfully for stabilizing steep banks and it also seems to be very drought resistant.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Acer negundo has a bad reputation for good reasons, but there is a clone of Acer negundo that we have experimented with in the last five years – Acer negundo ‘Sensation’. It’s a male cultivar (no seeds or boxelder bugs), it has an attractive reddish leaf colour (year round) and is a medium size tree. It is relatively fast growing so I suspect in the long run it might have some of the weak wood and decay issues as the Acer negundo species, but in the right place I think it might be a good tree choice. I have been impressed with this tree in parking lot islands and in sidewalk cutouts where there is very limited soil and harsh conditions that would kill most trees. At a Canadian Tire parking lot near my house I have watched some of these trees over the last 8 years growing in very small volumes of soil and as a result they are growing quite slowly, but they don’t seem to be showing any symptoms of decline or stress and they aren’t lifting any asphalt (not yet anyway) in spite of the lack of any root barriers. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One tree that I’ve been impressed with as an American elm alternative is Zelkova serrata. We don’t have too many of them but they seem to be very vigorous and well adapted to boulevards and difficult sites, and quite attractive.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t think we’ve ever paid a nursery / landscaper for a quote – I would expect they would offer free quotes if they want our business.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ian Wilson</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>City of Kelowna</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net" target="_blank">canufnet-bounces@list.web.net</a> [<a href="mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net" target="_blank">mailto:canufnet-bounces@list.web.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Oliver Reichl<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 04, 2012 7:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> Canadian Urban Forest Network<br><b>Subject:</b> [CANUFNET] CTLA appraisals in Ontario</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Greetings:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>I'm doing a large appraisal project that has brought up a couple of interesting issues. I'm keen to hear your opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>1) the Ontario supplement does not contain a species rating for Staghorn sumac, <i>Rhus typhina</i>. What would you consider the best alternative to use for a species rating? (I have one in mind ... just curious to hear what others may have used and why).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>2) <i>Acer negundo</i> (crapwood) and <i>Ulmus americana</i> (disease-prone) are not available in the marketplace. What would you consider the best alternatives to use for replacement plant material? (Again, I have ones in mind ... but curious to hear what others suggest or may have used and why).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>3) quotes for replacement trees and their delivery/installation are an integral part of the valuations. How much, if anything, would you pay a nursery or landscaping firm for a quote?<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Looking forward to any replies,<br><br>Oliver K. Reichl, B.E.S.(Hons)<br>Consulting Arborist-Ecologist<br>ISA Certified Arborist #ON-1178A<br>18 Larue Mills Rd.<br>1000 Islands, ON K0E 1R0<br>Tel: <a href="tel:613-923-8833" target="_blank">613-923-8833</a><br>Email: <a href="mailto:careofthetrees@gmail.com" target="_blank">careofthetrees@gmail.com</a><br>Web: <a href="http://www.oliverkilian.com/treecare" target="_blank">www.oliverkilian.com/treecare</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Please review the City of Brampton e-mail disclaimer statement at:<br><a href="http://www.brampton.ca/en/Info-Centre/Pages/Privacy-Statement.aspx" target="_blank">www.brampton.ca/en/Info-Centre/Pages/Privacy-Statement.aspx</a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>