<div dir="ltr">Thank you for your reply Naomi, much appreciated.<div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:helvetica,geneva,sans-serif"><font color="#000000" size="2">Cheers,</font></span><span style="font-family:helvetica,geneva,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(111,112,113)!important"> </span></div><div><font color="#6f7071" face="helvetica, geneva, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.44444465637207px"><br></span></font>Darren Platakis </div><div>BSc., GIS(PG), FRCGS</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:16 AM Naomi Zurcher via CANUFNET <<a href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net">canufnet@list.web.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">This site-specific fact that Stephen refers to is even more evident in an urban setting, especially with trees planted curbside in pedestrian walkways. Same species planted along the same street will have very different growth rates, depending on light but more often based on the ability to break out of the limited volume of open accessible soil. <div><br></div><div>You are much better off using other factors that can be more accurately determined - species (including cultivar if known), structural measurements plus a full condition assessment including annual shoot extension as well as details about the site in which the tree is growing.</div><div><div><br></div><div>Naomi Zürcher</div><div>Urban Forester, Consulting Arborist<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:13 PM, via CANUFNET <<a href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net" target="_blank">canufnet@list.web.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-7186826766997065443Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<div>In my experience there is no reliable rule of thumb for tree age vs
diameter. You can have two trees planted at the same time of the same
species that have dramatically different DBH right beside each other, and this
routinely happens with even-aged stands in the wild. If one is getting more sun
and the other is suppressed there will be a large difference in diameter.</div>
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<div>In a even aged stand, say red oaks, you can have one dominant tree in the
middle of the grove that is taller and thicker than all the others growing
around it. The others may all be growing sideways to try to get to the
sunlight as the centre tree spreads it’s crown out to capture all of the sun
above them and are a lot different in diameter but all close to the same
age. In a conifer plantation in the early stages there can be a narrow
range of sizes so easier to make age estimates from size, but as the plantation
ages the dominant trees grow much larger than the suppressed ones, which die out
eventually.</div>
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<div>If you have some local data from core samples or counting rings of cut
trees to compare with you could make up a rough table of age vs size that could
be a fair estimate for each species most of the time. It has to be local
data – trees in Toronto or Niagara grow a lot faster than on the shield north of
us. You know that pines can be aged by counting the branch whorls
eh? There are also old MNRF publications that have age/height curves by
species and site class that are based on good data and can be a good tool for
estimating.</div>
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<div>You hear people all the time describing 60cm+ trees as ‘100 year old trees’
that are often silver maples or willows that can’t be more than 60 years old
since the area was developed then.</div>
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Smith<br>Urban Forester, ISA Certified Arborist<br>Qualified Tree Risk
Assessor<br>Urban Forest Associates<br><a href="http://www.ufora.ca" target="_blank">www.ufora.ca</a><br>off 416-423-3387/cell
416-707-2164<br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="canufnet@list.web.net" href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net" target="_blank">Andrew Almas via CANUFNET</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 03, 2018 1:23 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET] Tree Growth Factors
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<div>There is no extra mathematical step to applying the growth factor. It is
just that trees grow differently in different settings. So in the case of the
growth factor provide by the Morton Arboretum they are only considering trees
that are "landscape specimens", these tend to grow in diameter far more quickly
than trees in a forest setting that tend to grow taller. Most growth factors you
will find are associated with that species growing in a forest setting. That is
the source of the discrepancy. Another source of discrepancy could be locale - a
red maple in Quebec will grow more slowly than a red maple in Georgia...</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div> Andrew</div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:00 PM Darren Platakis via CANUFNET <<a href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net" target="_blank">canufnet@list.web.net</a>>
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<div>I was hoping to be enlightened with regards to tree growth factors and
estimated tree age. I am not a arborist by trade so be gentle with me.</div>
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<div>I'm trying to apply growth factors to an inventory of trees to estimate
age but some things do not make sense.</div>
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<div>By way of example, the growth factor for a Norway maple is noted as being
4.5 so in essence, a Norway maple with a diameter of 20 inches is estimated to
be 90 yrs old - Diameter X Growth Factor (this number doesn't seem right to
me). <br><br>However, there are several charts available that provide this
information, such as one released by The Morton Arboretum that state a Norway
maple of 20 inches in diameter is estimated to be 52 years old. This would be
a growth factor of 2.6 (Estimated age / diameter = Growth Factor). My question
is, why the big discrepancy? Am I missing a step somewhere?<br><br></div>
<div>This is an exercise that I may like to take into a classroom but with the
wide chasm of results I'd be wary of doing so. <br><br>Thanks in advance,
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<div>Darren Platakis</div>
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