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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Mark, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I don’t have much to add to your email, but I think you’re pretty much spot-on on all of your points and I just want to say thanks for taking the time to put it all down in writing. Although it doesn’t paint a particularly rosy picture, it really effectively sums up many of the struggles we see municipalities everywhere facing.<b> I’d encourage everyone to take a few minutes to read Mark’s note.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think your point that “if a tree does not need to be pruned, don’t prune it” is especially excellent; perhaps we should start thinking of the “pruning cycle” (especially for young trees) as an “inspection, and prune if necessary, cycle” (that said, most young trees could benefit from <i>some</i> amount of pruning every few years, even if minor). But as you aptly noted – how do you write a tender for that, price it out, ensure quality, account for different species characteristics, etc.? Even two of the most experienced arborists may look at the same small tree and will likely have different opinions about its pruning requirements; now put an arborist (if it’s even an arborist) with heavy production expectations on the same task, and what outcomes do you expect? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Anyway, thanks again for that great post, Mark! Lots to think about in there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Alexander Satel, MFC<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Urban forestry and arboricultural consultant <o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>ISA Certified Arborist ON-1353A<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>ISA Tree Risk Assessment Qualified (TRAQ)<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br>Urban Forest Innovations, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>1331 Northaven Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mississauga, ON L5G 4E8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>T: (905) 274-1022 <br></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4472C4'><a href="mailto:asatel@ufis.ca"><span style='color:#4472C4'>asatel@ufis.ca</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4472C4'><a href="http://www.urbanforestinnovations.com/"><span style='color:#4472C4'>urbanforestinnovations.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=152 height=76 style='width:1.5833in;height:.7916in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D5CD24.A2CA95C0" alt="cid:image003.png@01D538CF.413FBEA0"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> CANUFNET <canufnet-bounces@list.web.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Carroll via CANUFNET<br><b>Sent:</b> January 15, 2020 12:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'CANUFNET@list.web.net' <canufnet@list.web.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Mark Carroll <environment1st@rogers.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CANUFNET] Tree Maintenance Cycles and the Effect on Growth and Rotation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>To All,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Thought I would send a couple thoughts for scheduled tree pruning to the forum,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>This may not help but here it is...</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>In regards to tree pruning, is a schedule an accurate way of determining the proper way to look after one of our natural heritage assets.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>It seems we look after our trees completely different from our other assets. We inspect our roads, we inspect our play ground equipment, and we inspect our buildings and so on and make the necessary repairs or preventative maintenance as needed. With trees we seem to have the need to just send crews out to prune. Do our crews have the knowledge, do our crews care enough, and do our crews have enough experience? If you use a contractor, we use the low bid. Will these contractors send us their best to prune, highly unlikely? They send their cheapest crew so they can cover the low bid. </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Structural pruning is what I would call “subjective to the individual doing the work”. Pruning a tree every 5, 7 years just because it is part of the rotation can have devastating effects on trees. Remember “the best thing you can do to a tree is prune it, the worst thing you can do to a tree is prune it”.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Boulevard trees are subjected to a multitude of deceases, hardships, and pests. Salt, heat, vehicle damage, lack of habitat, lack of nutrients, lack of soils and the list can go on. It’s a wonder we have trees at all these days. Add to this the unnecessary pruning and you now have a tree that may not survive or at best be under constant stress.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Extensive structural pruning in warmer climates may be beneficial to some trees. Longer growing seasons and better habitats will afford the tree better conditions to heal quicker without putting stress on the tree. Ed Gilman, a well known expert in structural pruning will not hesitate to remove more than 50% of a tree to prune it for proper structure. My opinion is that this may be ok for a tree in Florida where the growing season is almost 12 months of the year, but will it work in Ontario where we only have 6 to 7 months of a growing season. Will 50% be too much for a tree to handle here and will it take longer to heal? This may leave it exposed to deceases and pests for a longer period of time with wounds leading to cavities and weakened structures.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>When we look at pruning schedules, what do we want? Structural pruning? 2.5 to 3 meters over the sidewalk? 4 to 6 meters over the road for safe vehicle passage? How big will branches be when removed? No larger than 8 to 10 cm? No main trunk cuts? Do you thin out the Tree? Do you do reduction cuts? Do you have to climb each tree? Is each cut made from the ground? What is your budget? How many trees do you have to do?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>What about basing the pruning on the type of tree? Does a Locust need as much pruning as a Linden, or vise versa? Locust are over used, as are Lindens along our municipal street-scapes. Are they the best trees to be planting? Lindens are notorious for over growing on the lower branches and will need to be drastically elevated once they have reached 10 to 15 years of age or older. This will encourage epicormic shoots to grow and now we are back removing these shoots in a few short years. Lindens often have the co-dominant leaders that will present a problem when they are mature. Do you remove one whole leader all at once leaving the tree looking lopsided with a large open wound, or do you remove one leader slowly over a period of time. Locust have a bad habit of shutting down branches, which leaves deadwood throughout the tree. Locust too, can have long straggly branches, small leaves and insect infestations that residents have trouble with leading to many visits for pruning. How do you manage this if you are on a 7 year pruning cycle? </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Trying to get developers, consultants, landscape architects, engineers and planners to diversify our tree canopy is a struggle, more like pulling teeth. Who doesn’t like the Freemanii Maple? They are planted everywhere. How much pruning will these trees need? They have the structure and growth pattern of a Silver Maple and it is the fall colour of the Red Maple that makes them so utilized. Usually multiple co-dominant stems and lateral branching wherever the sun seems to hit it the most. Locust, Lindens and some sort of Maple cultivar is the average species list that come with any sort of subdivision agreement. Trees are never planted correctly, so when municipalities assume boulevard trees they are usually under stress from being dug in too deep, the worst nursery stalk and planted with ropes and burlap not completely removed. We assume thousands of trees each year and may never get to see each tree until years later and then it will be some time after that before we can actually prune all of them. By this time it may be too late to properly prune a tree.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I would recommend a species determined schedule for pruning. (Does that make sense?) Hopefully we are now looking at diversity for tree planting along our boulevards. Pick species that will do well, show better structural growth patterns, fit the habitat that they are growing and withstand the harsh growing medium that they will be presented with. This may lead to a better option for pruning schedules. Training methods must be improved and staff must have the passion for preserving our trees and doing what should be done, this includes pruning practices. </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>So as a summary to scheduled pruning??? Yes, if done properly! If a tree does not need to be pruned, don’t prune it. I don’t think you can write a tender that will cover proper pruning of a tree. Pruning is too subjective. No 2 trees are ever alike, they never need the same type of pruning. Training methods and opinions are too diverse. If we ever get to the point where we can actually engineer a tree that is the day when we can schedule pruning. We also need to well staff Urban Forestry Departments. If we can fully train and control pruning methods, that will help us with scheduling. Urban Forestry Departments are always under funded and under staffed. We rely on the “Request for Tender” for outside crews to the majority of work. Do we get the best? Again “maybe” most likely not. </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp96b939bbmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I always say” we all know we need trees, we just don’t want trees”. How often have you heard somebody say that they do not want a tree at or around their home? NIMBY!!! “Leaves get in my eaves trough, I have to rake too many leaves, there is too much shade for my grass grow” etc. But that same person will go to a park and sit under a tree to watch their family members play a sport or go to the playground and splash pad. Trees are often an after thought. Not really looked upon as an essential asset. Municipalities will often have more staff cutting grass, filling pot holes, doing snow removal, controlling water-waste water, than looking after their trees. This thought may be changing since there has been more concern for our natural environment all over the world. It will take time and money to do the right thing for our trees. I hope I see it in my life time.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I hope this helps with “Tree Pruning Scheduling”. Most likely not, but I thought I would send my 2 cents worth anyways.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f">
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</v:shape><![endif]--><![if !vml]><img width=80 height=100 style='width:.8333in;height:1.0416in' src="" align=left hspace=10 alt=signature-TWS v:shapes="_x0000_s1026"><![endif]><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#2E74B5'>Mark Carroll </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>ISA Certified Arborist/Qualified Arborist Tech/Lead Hand</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> | Public Works, Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>111 Sandiford Dr., Stouffville ON | L4A 0Z8</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>905-640-1910 Ext. 4249| Cell; 416-791-1040 | </span><span style='color:#2E74B5'>mark.carroll@</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.townofws.ca/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>townofws.ca</span></a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yahoo_quoted_9385085163"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:49:19 a.m. EST, Hettmann, Joerg via CANUFNET <<a href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net">canufnet@list.web.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv3391933860><div><div><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Hello All;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>We are in the process of developing a long-term tree maintenance strategy for the City of Vaughan, including a tree pruning rotation. While we preliminarily have considered a seven year cycle, we would appreciate any information from other municipalities on their strategies. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>We are also looking for information to what degree proper tree pruning enhances tree growth(yield), resistance, and age. This information would be very helpful in our valuation of the investment into tree maintenance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Thank you for any information you may be able to share.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Joerg Hettmann, R.P.F. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Manager of Forestry and Horticulture</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>905-832-8577 ext. 6139</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> I <a href="mailto:joerg.hettmann@vaughan.ca" target="_blank">joerg.hettmann@vaughan.ca</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>City of Vaughan I Parks Forestry and Horticulture Operations</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>2141 Major mackenzie Dr., Vaughan, ON L6A 1T1</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0070C0'>vaughan.ca</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal style='margin-top:1.65pt;background:white;vertical-align:top'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'> </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><img border=0 width=223 height=74 style='width:2.3229in;height:.7708in' id="yiv3391933860Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D5CD24.A2CA95C0" alt="cid:image001.jpg@01D567F3.E6C37260"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3391933860msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>This e-mail, including any attachment(s), may be confidential and is intended solely for the attention and information of the named addressee(s). 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