<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi everyone:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What we seem to see in all the responses to this extremely important posting is that there is a real inadequacy of an educated and informed public. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Will we always have those who hate trees - yes. Are they in the minority - yes. Are there people who don’t fully understand the value of trees, not just to themselves but to their entire community and beyond - yes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We, as professionals, need to create a Corps of Tree Advocates. That can only happen as a result of a broad campaign of disseminating tree facts consisting of how trees grow, what they need to actually grow well into maturity and why that growth is so critical to our own well-being. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just speaking amongst ourselves is not enough and this lack of conveyance of digestible knowledge is not exclusive to Canada - it’s a global issue and resolving that issue might undermine, not only those who promote the “nuisance” tree story, but the mega planting greenwashing extravaganzas that are so wasteful of the invaluable tree resource while allowing polluters to continue polluting through all those faulty carbon offset initiatives.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards</div><div class="">Naomi</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Naomi Zurcher</div><div class="">arbor aegis</div><div class="">urban forester / consulting arborist / i-tree team affiliate member</div><div class="">luzern switzerland</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 23, 2023, at 8:57 AM, JPM TREE SERVICE tree via CANUFNET <<a href="mailto:canufnet@list.web.net" class="">canufnet@list.web.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unusual tree removal, rationale requests are everywhere all the time. I find them tiring, exhausting,</div><div class="">fascinating and curious. When people call asking for a tree report, I’ll aptly state: What’s your rationale</div><div class="">for removal ? (I like to use “rationale” versus simply “reason”, as they tend to pause and have to</div><div class="">think about for a bit and give some sort of framework for their thinking). Often it's, “This tree’s dangerous.”</div><div class="">Sometimes it’s simple: It’s dead - or just about dead. I tend to encourage wildlife habitat tree creation if</div><div class="">the tree’s a decent size, maybe two feet DBH or more.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And then there is the “alternative rationale”, as one BC Lower Mainland municipality puts it. I like to send this </div><div class="">little blurb to my current and potential customers. Gives them some time to think outside the box of</div><div class="">parameters of their city’s bylaw. I hope this is useful for others to consider. Also, in terms of nuisance,</div><div class="">I remind all my business relationships that a tree, as one Toronto colleague put it, is a "shedding organism."</div><div class="">And no, if walnuts are dropping onto the tin roof of your garage for a few weeks, then that is <i class="">not</i> a reason</div><div class="">to cut the tree down. The best one I’ve heard is that a raccoon was sitting in the crotch of a streamside habitat tree</div><div class="">watching a homeowner eat her breakfast. She found this quite disconcerting and wanted the tree cut down</div><div class="">(no, she didn’t get a permit).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Alternative Rationale for Tree Removal (if it is not a high risk or interferes significantly with a building development):</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Critical Views of (?) are impeded</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Undue Shade is caused</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Fire Threat (that cannot be remedied by other means e.g. pruning)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Unreasonable Maintenance Costs (please show your receipts)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Dire Aesthetics...</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Ill-suited to the Site Conditions e.g. Giant Sequoia is a ‘postage stamp-sized’ backyard<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> </div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Financial Hardship (provided documentation e.g. income tax return)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Significant Debris</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Poisonous Components (somebody has been hospitalized e.g. child, pet)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Animal or Bird Attractant, etc., etc., etc.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Unwanted Sounds,</div><div class="">-you may wish to prove that any or all of the above are an ongoing</div><div class=""> excessive, severe or intolerable inconvenience or nuisance associated with your tree (s)</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Some food for thought.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; 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font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">John Martyn, ISA Certified Arborist (PNW-0610A)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">JPM Tree Service</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Since 1996</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;" class=""><span style="font-kerning: none" class="">Abbotsford, BC</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; 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