[CANUFNET] boulevard planting pit

Mon Jan 18 12:27:29 EST 2016

Hello all.

A contractors perspective.

I always say that we are in the 2 year business. Get a tree to firmly
establish and grow for the first 2 years and we win.  If we succeed in that
and can turn over a healthy tree at FAC everyone wins and the tree usually
thrives in the years to follow. The first 2 years are also the most
important in the tree's life,  no different than a young human or animal in
the early stages of life.

When we at Wilco experienced heavy salt damage during the FAC period in the
past, we would attempt to lodge a claim for third party damage,, ie the
city salt trucks being the third party. The evidence is that the (salt)
damage to the tree usually shows up in the dead buds or lack of new buds
coming thru in the spring.  In coniferous it is usually needle burn and bud
damage that is evident. We have had projects where the trees (columnar
aspen) are planted behind a noise wall and the tops that are exposed above
the wall are dead and everything below the wall is budding out fine. In one
case of a successful third party damage claim we were able to proof that
our trees died from salt spray using the fact that the newly installed
light poles on the same project were all rusty on one side. This
circumstantial evidence was enough to convince the project manager that
there was no way a tree could survive the salt spray if the light poles
couldn't ! The implied realization was that it was not the salts in the
soil that killed the tree but the spray itself.

Years ago we adopted a practice whereby we actually "wash"  all our trees
using a hydro-seeder or decent wide spray fire nozzle as early in the
spring as possible, at first watering, to remove any resident salt spray
that may be coating the fresh buds as they try to breakout. We also do a
heavy root zone watering in spring to 'flush' thru any salt presence from
the soil.  Our survival results have been great in using this and many
other good maintenance practices to get our trees to grow.

Art Maat
Pres
Wilco NW

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Glenn Chernick <GCHERNIC at regina.ca> wrote:

> Nothing we have used as of yet, but I have read of a number of less
> phytotoxic alternatives to conventional road salt, including a product
> derived from beets, which I understand our public works department and the
> provincial government are looking at.
>
> Glenn Chernick
>
> Forestry Technician
>
> City of Regina
>
> (306) 535 4623
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>
>
> *From:* CANUFNET [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net] *On Behalf Of *Stephen
> Fudge
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 9:45 AM
> *To:* Canadian Urban Forest Network <canufnet at list.web.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [CANUFNET] boulevard planting pit
>
>
>
> Glen,
>
>
>
> Do you have any examples of other solutions that you have used that has
> had less damaging effects to plant material?
>
>
>
> *Stephen Fudge,* *B.Sc. Forestry, ISA Certified Arborist*
>
> Superintendent
>
> Public Works Department
>
> Regional Municipality of Wood Buffalo
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.gif at 01CEC9B9.2398C3F0]
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>
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> T: 780-799-8120
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> F: 780-790-9680
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> W: www.woodbuffalo.ab.ca
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>
> *From:* CANUFNET [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net
> <canufnet-bounces at list.web.net>] *On Behalf Of *Shelley Vescio
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:18 PM
> *To:* 'Canadian Urban Forest Network'
> *Subject:* Re: [CANUFNET] boulevard planting pit
>
>
>
> Thanks Glenn for getting back to me.  It’s always nice to know you aren’t
> the only one that this is happening to.
>
> Shelley
>
>
>
> *From:* CANUFNET [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net
> <canufnet-bounces at list.web.net>] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Chernick
> *Sent:* January 12, 2016 5:26 PM
> *To:* Canadian Urban Forest Network
> *Subject:* Re: [CANUFNET] boulevard planting pit
>
>
>
> It is happing here too.  There are other solutions that can be used by
> public works that are less toxic to plant material, some I understand that
> have similar cost to regular road salt.
>
> Glenn Chernick
>
> Forestry technician
>
> City of Regina
>
> Ph (306) 535 4623
>
>
>
> *From:* CANUFNET [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net] *On Behalf Of *Shelley
> Vescio
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:45 PM
> *To:* Canadian Urban Forest Network <canufnet at list.web.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [CANUFNET] boulevard planting pit
>
>
>
> Hi Stephan,
>
> Are you having issues with plant material dying due to road salt
> overloading? It’s become a bigger issue for us on our arterial streets over
> the last few years, which have been colder than normal.   I’m really
> interested to know if other people have been experiencing something
> similar.
>
> Shelley
>
>
>
> Shelley Vescio RPF
>
> City Forester
>
> City of Thunder Bay Parks Division
>
> 111 Syndicate Ave. South
>
> Thunder Bay, ON
>
> P7E 6S4
>
> work (807) 625-2473
>
> fax (807) 625-3258
>
> www.thunderbay.ca/urbanforestry
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>
>
>
>
> *From:* CANUFNET [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net
> <canufnet-bounces at list.web.net>] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Fudge
> *Sent:* January 11, 2016 4:06 PM
> *To:* Canadian Urban Forest Network
> *Subject:* Re: [CANUFNET] boulevard planting pit
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I would appreciate to be included in any correspondence on this matter as
> well.  We are in process of updating out Engineering Service standards and
> boulevard/median issues in terms of a winter city (salt and snow loading
> area) and plant material is a sensitive topic here right now.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> *Stephen Fudge,* *B.Sc. Forestry, ISA Certified Arborist*
>
> Superintendent
>
> Public Works Department
>
> Regional Municipality of Wood Buffalo
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.gif at 01CEC9B9.2398C3F0]
>
>
>
> T: 780-799-8120
>
> F: 780-790-9680
>
> W: www.woodbuffalo.ab.ca
>
>
>
> *From:* CANUFNET [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net] *On Behalf Of *Léger,
> Martin
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 12:21 PM
> *To:* canufnet at list.web.net
> *Subject:* [CANUFNET] boulevard planting pit
>
>
>
> Happy new year fellow Arborist,
>
> We are in the process of planning for a complete remodeling of our main
> Boulevard here in the City of Dorval (Montreal area). Does some of you have
> in there files some exemples, specs or any drawing of different planting
> pit, suspended pavement etc… Of course it would need to be suited for our
> nordic weather (thaw cycles) in the Montreal area. I already have some
> ideas but could  use some inspiration of what’s being done elsewhere.
>
>
>
> Any help could  be useful.
>
>
>
> [image: image001]
>
> *Martin Léger*
>
> Superviseur arboriculture-horticulture / Arboriculture-Horticulture
> Supervisor
>
> Service des travaux publics – Public Works Department
>
> Arboriculteur Certifié  ISA # QU-0110A
>
> ISA Certified Arborist  #QU-0110A
>
>
>
> 550, boulevard Bouchard, Dorval (Québec) H9S 1B2
>
>
>
> Tél : 514 633-4061  Fax : 514 633-4124
>
> mleger at ville.dorval.qc.ca
>
> www.ville.dorval.qc.ca
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