[CANUFNET] Constructing Driveways within Critical Root Zones

Tue Jul 14 10:16:30 EDT 2020

Numerous poured in place products are advertised as permeable with rates of
permeability information listed. Do you have information that brings
permeability performance of flexible poured in place surfaces into question?

Ryan

On Tue., Jul. 14, 2020, 06:56 Naomi Zurcher via CANUFNET, <
canufnet at list.web.net> wrote:

> The problem with the rubber sidewalk installation is it’s still not
> permeable. Yes, there’s flexibility but there’s no air or moisture being
> introduced into the substrate and you will get roots growing in the
> interface between the rubber sidewalk and the compacted substrate,
> resulting in a reduced bootable soil volume and probably damage to the
> driveway over the longterm.
>
> The idea is to do an installation so that you have roots growing where
> they belong - within the substrate. To eliminate organic matter from the
> structural soil means that you are compromising the tree on behalf of the
> driveway when, in fact, you should be aiming for equilibrium so the tree
> can get what it needs, it’s structural roots can be sustained and the
> driveway can function.
>
> Naomi Zürcher
>
> On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:22 AM, Charlotte Young via CANUFNET <
> canufnet at list.web.net> wrote:
>
> And, soft sidewalks have the additional benefit that they’re much easier
> on people’s feet and knees that all the concrete we walk on! Talk to any
> physiotherapist and they’ll tell you that all the even, flat surfaces we
> walk on are really bad for our feet. Uneven surfaces, like we find in
> nature, are much better as we use more foot muscles and the feet more in
> more directions. Nature always knows!
>
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> *From:* CANUFNET [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net
> <canufnet-bounces at list.web.net>] *On Behalf Of *Ian Wilson via CANUFNET
> *Sent:* July 13, 2020 5:17 PM
> *To:* 'Canadian Urban Forest Network' <canufnet at list.web.net>
> *Cc:* Ian Wilson <IWilson at kelowna.ca>
> *Subject:* Re: [CANUFNET] Constructing Driveways within Critical Root
> Zones
>
> Not a driveway example but I have an example of construction of a new
> sidewalk across a critical root zone.
>
> Approx. 12 years ago we installed the “Rubber Sidewalks” product in
> Kelowna, BC. There was a new sidewalk being installed next to a boulevard
> of mature green ash trees. There was no existing sidewalk, just lawn. We
> got the construction crew to only remove minimal turf and organics from the
> surface and avoid cutting any roots. The grade was built up (and tied in to
> an older concrete sidewalk with gentle ramps).  The large rubber panels
> were placed over a bed of sand. The sidewalk is still looking good today
> and the trees are healthy. There has been a bit of mild bending of the
> rubber panels due to roots but no tripping issues, and small snow plows
> drive across the surface in winter.
>
> If we did this over again, I think I would have used a coarse structural
> gravel underneath the rubber sidewalk (no fines). Basically a structural
> soil but no added compost – to help discourage root growth directly under
> the panels.
>
> Ian Wilson
> City of Kelowna
>
> *From:* CANUFNET <canufnet-bounces at list.web.net> *On Behalf Of *Mark
> Carroll via CANUFNET
> *Sent:* July 13, 2020 12:04 PM
> *To:* Canadian Urban Forest Network <canufnet at list.web.net>
> *Cc:* Mark Carroll <environment1st at rogers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [CANUFNET] Constructing Driveways within Critical Root
> Zones
>
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>
> I don't have an example of a driveway being elevated, but there are
> examples in the City of Toronto where the house was built this way. The
> addition was built on stilts to preserve the roots. A full concrete pad was
> elevated and the addition was built on top. It is not uncommon for this to
> be done. England has made some good practices for preserving their trees.
> They have actually built basements under the roots of trees. There are
> engineered peers that can be drilled down to the 2.5 to 3 meter depth that
> will support the needs of a carrying load to build a driveway and keep the
> root zones intact.
>
> Mark Carroll
> ISA Certified Arborist, Qualified Arborist Tech
> All around nice guy
> Taking our environment first
> Thanks for connecting...
>
>
> On Fri., 10 Jul. 2020 at 11:26 a.m., Astrid Nielsen via CANUFNET
> <canufnet at list.web.net> wrote:
> Hello Canufnet members,
>
> I have a client that is building two homes on an infill lot where there is
> a very large (106 cm), healthy silver maple. He is very willing to
> explore different options for working around the tree that would cause
> minimum disruption to the roots.
>
> Does anyone have examples of building driveways within the critical root
> zones of large trees that have managed to prevent significant root damage
> and tree decline? Specifically, he is considering a type of elevated
> driveway that would not require the severing of roots or significant soil
> compaction, and dissipate the pressure through posts. Although the posts
> would cause some root damage, it would be significantly less than
> excavation for a standard driveway. If anyone has examples of this type of
> engineering, I would be grateful if you could share it with me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Astrid
>
> ______________________________________
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