[CANUFNET] precedence regarding: 'nuisance-tree' removal request / resolution - Linden

Fri Oct 20 19:34:10 EDT 2023

Hello,
In urban cities accros the Province of Quebec, some of the oldest small lots of industrial sectors, all Ports, air or railways have Community density and the Nordic extremes. Few types of trees could stay alive other than zone 2 or 3. Meaning that most were indigenous resistant tall and wide spreading trees. Not much was offered 50 years ago. Today’s scientific realities make it so that other disciplines should know what, where, why and who for trees of variable mass in regards of needs, purpose and climate change. If a tree is not a menace to public health, is maintained in such a  way that how big it may be it can contribute to a specific environnement, then let it be. What appears on the pictures are small lots without trees. The linden may hopefully  procure eco benefits to all homes around it.

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Le 20 oct. 2023 à 10:42, Stephen Smith via CANUFNET <canufnet at list.web.net> a écrit :

Hi all.

It’s hard to have a completely black and white approach.  There are consequences both ways.

We all know of individual trees that are a real eyesore, wrong tree in the wrong place, butchered by hydro and now the poor homeowner in a $5 million dollar house has a junky tree in the front yard that they would pay any amount to replace with a large specimen of a better tree with a better future and they aren’t allowed to because of municipal laws that we are all worried will set bad precedents. The tree devalues their house just by being there and looks like crap. An embarrassment to the neighbours. This is how they see it and always will, no matter how many environmental reasons we give them.

I understand why we need to, but is there another way?  Making them pay a lot of money is one way, many won’t be willing to pay for it.

If you give municipal employees written guidelines to follow they may interpret them too loosely (mostly, they’re busy and overworked so it’s easy to rubber stamp everything and the floodgates open) or too tightly (fight hard over every instance to find a way to stop it at all costs).

And you’d need to define it very clearly – black walnut or falling acorns nuisance, no; fruit trees, yes/no depends; white pine dripping sap on cars, maybe; horribly butchered tree or completely one sided conifer standing by itself, yes.  I had a client who had the space to replace a butchered linden with a tree spaded huge maple further back on their lawn and city council said no.

As my own yard was covered in acorns in the last few weeks I understand it personally (and my wife, an avowed oak lover now thinks it was a mistake to plant the oak on a ‘small lot’ now that it’s at an age that it makes a lot of acorns. By regulating trees too tightly we make them a threat to peoples personal lives and financial security. We have created a whole generation of people who hate trees because they lose control of their property. They opt for a serviceberry or pay cash in lieu when a tree has to come out and have no tree at all to retain control over their land. This is real, not an academic discussion.

Stephen Smith
Urban Forest Associates
Urban Forestry & Ecological Restoration
www.ufora.ca
Office/fax 416-423-3387
Cell 416-707-2164

From: CANUFNET <canufnet-bounces at list.web.net> On Behalf Of Naomi Zurcher via CANUFNET
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:22 AM
To: Canadian Urban Forest Network <canufnet at list.web.net>
Cc: Naomi Zurcher <treerap at sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CANUFNET] precedence regarding: 'nuisance-tree' removal request / resolution - Linden

Hi Jennifer and Daniel.

I would suggest that this IS an ill-informed homeowner and anything you put in the tree’s place will instigate a pushback.

Is a smaller tree more suitable for the site??? Or is it “the tree” and whatever its attributes turned negative might be? There are people who just don’t like trees and will find any excuse to demand removal.

I also agree with Linda from the SOS tree Coalition that bending existing laws for a dodgy reason will surely open the floodgates to removal demands.

In addition, the tree is benefiting many more people than the unknowing homeowner and one needs to calculate the larger loss to the community, especially if the tree is healthy. Those Ecosystem Services along with the accompanying biodiversity are irreplaceable for generations.

A well written, well documented subtle but emphatic pushback that doesn’t mention names, published on the Municipality’s website, is the order of the day.

Naomi Zurcher

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Arbor Aegis
Urban Forester / Consulting Arborist / I-Tree team affiliate member
6006 Luzern
Switzerland

On Oct 19, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Jennifer Koskinen via CANUFNET <canufnet at list.web.net<mailto:canufnet at list.web.net>> wrote:

Hi Daniel,
Perhaps this is not a  'nuisance-tree' issue - but can be looked at as  - wrong tree wrong location case. Remove the tree and plant a smaller species with the tree moved closer to the adjacent neighbour property line.  This large tree is growing between two driveways, and the homeowner has put cobblestones around the tree.  The City can look at it as rectifying a situation, a smaller tree suitable for the site (and using a species with no potential nuisance - so no fruit trees).  The homeowner may miss the shade this tree provided in the summer though.
Just an idea. Sometimes homeowners will not give up, and they may even find new projects to complete on their own property that may 'accidentlaly' kill the tree over time.

-jk

Jennifer Koskinen, HBESfcon,
ISA Certified Arborist ON-1234A
Senior Arborist
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On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:04 PM Daniel Corbett via CANUFNET <canufnet at list.web.net<mailto:canufnet at list.web.net>> wrote:
Good morning,
                On Monday October 16th (2023), our City Council heard a deputation from a Citizen requesting removal of this Linden tree due to the hardship it causes them (car and driveway washing – ‘ruined’ paint on the car).  There was, of course, significant correspondence with the Citizen (in advance of council) explaining other options and that we had followed process.  The Citizen was not interested in any option other than removal, which (removal) is contradictory to our bylaws and associated policies.
We have now completed a crown thinning (approximately 30%) to increase air flow and make the tree less habitable to aphids.  Council is deliberating to decide if they should make an exception to our tree bylaw, and allow the removal.  In my view, this could be like opening the flood-gates for any (every) other removal request having to due with ‘undue hardship’ to the home owner.
                Our ‘nuisance-tree issue’ policies are clear on our website and in our Urban-Tree bylaw.  Council may be looking to ‘make an exception’.  At council I was able to identify this decision could impact 150-250 ‘nuisance-tree’ removal requests per year.  If any of you could provide some guidance or support, provide documentation of a similar situation and how it was resolved…etc, I would greatly appreciate it.

The Citizen that made the deputation highlighted examples from Vancouver (which I have not fact-checked) in their deputation, so I can imagine our results could also affect your municipalities in the future.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Dan Corbett
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