[homeles_ot-l] SCAN legislation FW: Feb 5 for agencies-AttachedImage

Mon Jan 12 16:39:31 EST 2009

Actually, that came from Michael Chettleburgh's research, who I know has
done a lot of work for the police.  He was highly critical of this type of
legislation since it just 'clogged up' the justices system and put people
back on the street.  I also refer to your earlier e-mail where you state "I
agree that it moves problems around, but that has proven useful in other
provinces.  "If a drug operation moves frequently it is less damaging to the
fabric of the neighbourhood"

On 1/12/09, Worsfold, Nancy <Nancy.Worsfold at ottawa.ca> wrote:
>
>  What province was that Rob?  I am not aware that any of the provinces or
> territories that use SCAN use it in isolation from other approaches.
> The only province from which I have seen any stats on displacement is
> Manitoba.  After 200 investigations they had only had 6 "repeat customers."
> The Manitoba people believed, but could not prove, that the drug dealing was
> mostly moving to more discrete, less destructive modes of doing business.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* homeles_ot-l-bounces at list.web.net [mailto:
> homeles_ot-l-bounces at list.web.net]*On Behalf Of *Rob MacDonald
> *Sent:* January 12, 2009 3:54 PM
> *To:* ep.powerreid at servicecanada.gc.ca
> *Cc:* homeles_ot-l at list.web.net; lbrowne at ysb.on.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [homeles_ot-l] SCAN legislation FW: Feb 5 for
> agencies-AttachedImage
>
> I agree it takes a comprehensive community approach and identifying the
> types of outcomes you hope to achieve.  The provinces that implemented SCAN
> as a single approach have never been able to do anything more than move the
> problem from community to community, so the 'success' they had in one area
> was just repeated over and over as police followed the offenders, to the
> expense of the taxpayers.
>
> On 1/12/09, ep.powerreid at servicecanada.gc.ca <
> ep.powerreid at servicecanada.gc.ca> wrote:
>>
>>  My two cents,
>> We used this type of legislation to effect a community process to close
>> down landlords who were facilitating meth labs etc., in Regina and to keep
>> families & individuals in safe housing. It took a comprehensive community
>> approach and was a really valuable tool to have.  It took significant
>> planning and collaboration between municipal, provincial, community and NGO
>> reps to make it work but it was sweet to see it in action.  We made a lot
>> more progress with it than we were making before it came to pass.
>> EP
>>
>>
>> Evelyne Power Reid
>> Director, Eastern Ontario/Directrice, L'est de l'Ontario
>> Citizen Service Branch / Direction générale de service aux citoyens
>> 300 Sparks
>> Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0J6
>> Ph:(613) 991-1424
>> Fax: (613) 990-9278
>>
>> ep.powerreid at servicecanada.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* homeles_ot-l-bounces at list.web.net [mailto:
>> homeles_ot-l-bounces at list.web.net] *On Behalf Of *Rob MacDonald
>> *Sent:* 2009-01-12 3:16 PM
>> *To:* M Laplante
>> *Cc:* Lynne Browne; listserv
>> *Subject:* Re: [homeles_ot-l] SCAN legislation FW: Feb 5 for agencies
>> -AttachedImage
>>
>>  First of all, we will be addressing the issues around some of those
>> problem properties and some strategies that have been successful and have
>> had better long term results than legislation which Crime Prevention Ottawa
>> has acknowledged will only kick the problem from one community to the next.
>> It is for these reasons we hope agencies will register for this session to
>> raise questions and concerns.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On 1/12/09, M Laplante <laplante at res.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob, Nancy,
>>>
>>> I wouldn't mind hearing this offline discussion or keeping it online.
>>> If the legislation seems to target the most vulnerable, then how can
>>> we constructively suggest changes to the legislation?  That is to say
>>> how do we allow landlords to evict drug dealers and others who make
>>> the life of neighbours miserable, without denying housing to people
>>> with mental health issues?  For the people living next door with
>>> absentee landlords, problem properties take a heavy toll on
>>> communities.
>>>
>>> I personally am a fan of Housing First approaches where case
>>> management and property management are completely separated, and this
>>> would be less of an issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Rob MacDonald <robm at housinghelp.on.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi, Nancy,
>>> > I would be pleased to continue this discussion with you off-line,
>>> however
>>> > suffice it to say, the proposed SCAN legislation would be a huge step
>>> > backwards for those of us who work in the field of homelessness.  The
>>> > legislation would allow people to be evicted without a hearing and it
>>> > targets the most vulnerable people in our society, including people
>>> with
>>> > mental health issues, addictions and alcoholism.  The legislation will
>>> cause
>>> > more homelessness in our community while not addressing the root causes
>>> of
>>> > these marginalized populations.  There are provisions in the current
>>> > legislation (Residential Tenancies Act) that allow a landlord to evict
>>> a
>>> > tenant in less than ten days for the types of activities SCAN purports
>>> to
>>> > address, without a loss of civil liberties.  Although crime rates are
>>> > declining, this legislation preys on the fears of  our community and
>>> offers
>>> > a costly, ineffective solution that will do nothing more than shunt the
>>> > problem from one part of the neighbourhood over to the next.
>>> >
>>> > Rob MacDonald
>>> >
>>> > On 1/12/09, Worsfold, Nancy <Nancy.Worsfold at ottawa.ca> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I think that there are two sides to this story.  The people most
>>> >> victimized by the safety issues that Safer Communities and
>>> Neighbourhood
>>> >> legislation seeks to address are poor and vulnerable tenants living in
>>> >> buildings with are terrorized by drug dealers.  Could you please send
>>> this
>>> >> out too?
>>> >> Nancy
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: homeles_ot-l-bounces at list.web.net
>>> >> [mailto:homeles_ot-l-bounces at list.web.net]On Behalf Of Lynne Browne
>>> >> Sent: January 09, 2009 3:52 PM
>>> >> To: listserv
>>> >> Subject: [homeles_ot-l] SCAN legislation FW: Feb 5 for agencies -
>>> >> AttachedImage
>>> >>
>>> >> FYI…poster below and attached.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lynne Browne
>>> >>
>>> >> Coordinator
>>> >>
>>> >> Alliance to End Homelessness (ATEH)
>>> >>
>>> >> 147 Besserer Street, Ottawa, Ontario K1N 6A7
>>> >>
>>> >> 613-241-7913, ext. 205
>>> >>
>>> >> lbrowne at ysb.on.ca
>>> >>
>>> >> www.endhomelessnessottawa.ca
>>> >>
>>> >> ________________________________
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Rob MacDonald [mailto:robm at housinghelp.on.ca]
>>> >> Sent: January 9, 2009 3:26 PM
>>> >> To: Lynne Browne
>>> >> Subject: Fwd: FW: Attached Image
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi, Lynne,
>>> >> Could you please post this on the list serve?
>>> >>
>>> >> Attached are two posters for the upcoming information session on the
>>> Safer
>>> >> Communities and Neighbourhoods Act (Bill 106) on February 5th, 2009
>>> >>
>>> >> This proposed legislation will allow tenants to be evicted without a
>>> >> proper hearing and will allow rental properties to be shut down.  The
>>> >> legislation will have a significant impact in contributing towards
>>> >> homelessness and  the loss of affordable housing in our
>>> community.  This
>>> >> session is for community agencies who want to know more about the
>>> impact
>>> >> this legislation will have on their clients and agencies.   Details
>>> are
>>> >> attached for information and registration. (Note: both the French and
>>> >> English poster are on the same attachment).
>>> >>
>>> >> Rob MacDonald,
>>> >>
>>> >> "Warriors, warriors we call ourselves.  We fight for
>>> >> splendid virtue, for high endeavour, for sublime wisdom,
>>> >> therefore we call ourselves warriors."
>>> >> Aunguttara Nikaya
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>>
>>
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>> Rob MacDonald,
>>
>> "Warriors, warriors we call ourselves.  We fight for
>> splendid virtue, for high endeavour, for sublime wisdom,
>> therefore we call ourselves warriors."
>> Aunguttara Nikaya
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>
>
>
> --
> Rob MacDonald,
>
> "Warriors, warriors we call ourselves.  We fight for
> splendid virtue, for high endeavour, for sublime wisdom,
> therefore we call ourselves warriors."
> Aunguttara Nikaya
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"Warriors, warriors we call ourselves.  We fight for
splendid virtue, for high endeavour, for sublime wisdom,
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