[homeles_ot-l] - accessing scattered sites through portable housing allowances

Tue Jun 24 09:58:46 EDT 2014

Hello, John,
I completely agree there should be some form of a rent supplement program,
I just believe that building social housing is more practical beneficial
long term solution.  I had a case where a senior citizen with cancer needed
financial assistance when her landlord applied for an above guideline rent
increase.  I had a case where a working single parent would lose her
daycare subsidy if she moved to any of the social housing units which were
all out of her area. There is a need for a supplement program, but it
should be administered in moderation.

My concern with shelter allowances is that they are not based on tenants
income meaning they are still paying more than thirty per cent of the
rent.  It's also a given that the rents will increase in the following
years through the guideline increase,not to mention above guideline
increases, and higher rent increases on the private market (now that the
vacancy rate is plummeting in Ottawa again).  It only means that tenants
with shelter allowances will likely be forced to relocate down the road
because the supplement doesn't keep pace with the market variables. It is a
means tested program that provides moderate financial assistance to more
people, but not enough to lift them out of their financial crises.

The private market model puts profits first and my tenants have had first
hand experience with the results in rent supplement units.  I've had
several cases where tenants with mental health issues settled into their
rent supplement units only to have the landlord attempt to evict shortly
afterwards them out because they wanted to renovate the apartments and
raise the rents.  The security of tenure is not the same in the private
sector as it is in the social housing model.

As I stated earlier, I do believe there is a need for some form of a
supplement program, I just don't see that any of my concerns have been
addressed here. What may seem like 'quick fix' solutions will have long
term consequences.

Personally, I love these discussions and I sincerely apologize if you feel
that I was attacking your perspective, I only commented it in the spirit of
healthy debate.  However, in the interests of keeping this site on topic,
perhaps we could carry it on offline.

Rob

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 5:27 PM, John Dickie <JDickie at dickieandlyman.com>
wrote:

> Rob:
>
>
>
> The section 8 program is badly designed and may inflate rents, although it
> strains credulity to think that a subsidy of $6B would raise market rents
> by $8M.
>
>
>
> For Canada *with a different program design for portable housing
> allowances*, a CHMC study team concluded that there was no evidence that
> Canadian housing allowances raised rents: Housing Allowance Options for
> Canada.  That is also Marion Steele’s conclusion.  She is the most
> knowledgeable person in Canada on housing allowances.
>
>
>
> Among the advantages of housing allowances one can list:
>
> - allow tenants a wide choice of where to live;
>
> - achieve income mixing without the cost of subsidizing middle income
> tenants;
>
> - use the existing economical housing stock, rather than newly built (and
> therefore expensive) housing;
>
> - allow the available funding to be spread more equitably among more
> low-income tenants;
>
> - allow flexibility in program design to respond to different regional
> needs and provincial budgets;
>
> - allow the provision of assistance quickly;
>
> - can eliminate deep core need regardless of a household’s place on a
> chronological waiting list;
>
> - allow tenants to keep their housing assistance when they move to take a
> new job (which is good for them and the economy);
>
> - avoid the stigma often associated with public housing;
>
> - can easily be used in rural areas and small towns where there are no
> large rental buildings; and
>
> - can be administered at very low cost.
>
>
>
> See the CFAA website for more details:
> http://www.cfaa-fcapi.org/pdf/CFAA_Portable_housing_allowances_facts_0809.pdf
>
>
>
> I have stopped attacking social housing, and most social housing advocates
> have stopped attacking portable housing allowances.  Perhaps the people who
> need help in affording their housing would be better served if we all
> recognized that various programs are useful to achieve different purposes.
>
> John Dickie
> Chair, Eastern Ontario Landlord Organization
> 640-1600 Carling Ave.
> Ottawa ON  K1Z 1G3
> Tel. 613-235-0101 Fax 613-238-0101
> http://www.eolo.ca/
>
> EOLO represents the owners and managers of more than 36,000 residential
> rental suites in Ottawa.  Founded in 1990, EOLO's members include some of
> the largest landlords in Ontario, as well as many small and medium size
> landlords.
>
> *From:* Rob MacDonald [mailto:robm at housinghelp.on.ca]
> *Sent:* June 23, 2014 5:09 PM
> *To:* John Dickie
> *Cc:* M Laplante; Tim D. Aubry; Alliance Listserv
> *Subject:* Re: [homeles_ot-l] Research on Housing First - accessing
> scattered sites through housing allowances
>
>
>
> It may be true that other provinces have rent supplement program, but
> housing advocates across the country have had their concerns about how they
> are implemented into the system and whether they are doing more harm than
> good.  BC, for example has two supplement programs, one for seniors and one
> for families.  Everyone else gets left out.
>
> In my own experience I have seen landlords evict or 'transfer' tenants
> unwillingly so that they can renovate the unit or allegedly move into it
> themselves.  There is no security of tenure for tenants and they can be
> evicted for a slew of reasons that may have nothing to do with their
> behaviour.
>
> Rent supplements can also be a lottery for landlords in provinces that
> have weak rent control, since landlords can raise rents as much as they
> want and take advantage of supplements. In Ontario, there is no limit to
> the rent increase a landlord can take in a new tenancy.
>
> A number of U.S. studies have also proven conclusively that market rents
> increased substantially for non-supplemented low-income tenants who lived
> nearby.  The Susin report studied 90large metropolitan cities where housing
> vouchers were introduced.  The main finding was was that "those areas with
> more vouchers experienced faster rent increases than those where areas
> vouchers were less abundant."  It estimated that the shelter allowance
> system actually raised rents by an average of 16 per cent.  THe vouchers
> caused an 8.2 billion increase in total rent paid by low income tenants
> while only providing a subsidy of 5.8 billion, ersulting in a net loss of
> 2.4 billion to low income households.
>
> According to the Wellesley Institute, "supplements inflate rents for all
> tenants, not just those receiving subsidies..  The economic cost outweighs
> the economic value."
>
> It must also be said that shelter allowance do nothing to alleviate the
> scarcity of housing. As the vacancy rate has dropped in Ottawa, landlords
> will be charging more for rents, and people with low incomes have no choice
> but to pay extravagant rents without assurances of adequate maintenance.  A
> social housing program, on the other hand, will increase the supply.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:53 PM, John Dickie <JDickie at dickieandlyman.com>
> wrote:
>
> Many provinces other than Ontario use portable housing allowances, or
> housing benefits, which can be used for scattered sites.
>
>
>
> The City of Ottawa now has a successful pilot project using portable
> housing allowances to expand the housing options for homeless people.
> Expanding housing allowances would be a significant positive in the fight
> against homelessness, and in improving housing affordability.
>
>
>
> John
>
> John Dickie
> Chair, Eastern Ontario Landlord Organization
> 640-1600 Carling Ave.
> Ottawa ON  K1Z 1G3
> Tel. 613-235-0101 Fax 613-238-0101
> http://www.eolo.ca/
>
> EOLO represents the owners and managers of more than 36,000 residential
> rental suites in Ottawa.  Founded in 1990, EOLO's members include some of
> the largest landlords in Ontario, as well as many small and medium size
> landlords.
>
> *From:* homeles_ot-l [mailto:homeles_ot-l-bounces at list.web.net] *On
> Behalf Of *M Laplante
> *Sent:* June 23, 2014 3:49 PM
> *To:* Tim D. Aubry
> *Cc:* Alliance Listserv
> *Subject:* Re: [homeles_ot-l] Research on Housing First
>
>
>
> Thank you for distributing this.  I notice that Pathways to Housing's
> original scattered-site requirement seems to have become optional somewhere
> along the way with a variety of different implementations and studies.
>  There seems to be a wide spectrum of approaches that adopt some elements
> of Housing First and not others, making it difficult to determine which
> features are essential.  Without Section 8 vouchers in Canada,
> scattered-site may be more difficult to implement, but it might be
> essential.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Tim D. Aubry <taubry at uottawa.ca> wrote:
>
> I have recently received several requests about the research literature on
> Housing First.
>
>
>
> FYI, please find attached a book chapter reviewing the literature that we
> wrote and appears in the recently published book “Homelessness and Health
> in Canada” (edited by Manal Guirguis, Ryan MacNeil, and Stephen Hwang).
> Please note that the full book is available open access at
> http://www.homelesshub.ca/resource/homelessness-health-canada  .
>
>
>
> Our book chapter was written before the final report on the findings of
> the At Home / Chez Soi project were released.  So I am also attaching a
> .pdf of the final report.
>
>
>
> Tim Aubry Ph.D, C.Psych.
>
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>
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>
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>
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> Educational and Community Services
>
> Chaire de recherche facultaire en santé mentale communautaire et
> l'itinérance /
>
> Faculty Research Chair in Community Mental Health and Homelessness
>
> Faculté des sciences sociales / Faculty of Social Sciences
>
> Université d'Ottawa / University of Ottawa
>
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>
> Ottawa, ON
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
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> Rob MacDonald,
> Advocate for Tenants
>
> "*There can be no fairness or justice in a society in which some live in
> homelessness, or in the shadow of that risk, while others cannot even
> imagine it.” *
>
> ―Jordan Flaherty
>

-- 
Rob MacDonald,
Advocate for Tenants

"*There can be no fairness or justice in a society in which some live in
homelessness, or in the shadow of that risk, while others cannot even
imagine it.” *
―Jordan Flaherty
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