[homeles_ot-l] submission

Tue Apr 4 15:23:48 EDT 2017

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De : Reuel Amdur [mailto:amdurre2 at sympatico.ca] 
Envoyé : 4 avril 2017 15:21
À : 'RIVIER'
Objet : RE: [homeles_ot-l] submission

The car allowance did not exist till the Rae gov't instituted it.  It did not exist before.  The layman's medical was canned by the Rae gov't, not by Harris.   The vilification campaign that you note caused them to act erratically.  Not just on social assistance.  

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De : RIVIER [mailto:srivier at rogers.com] 
Envoyé : 4 avril 2017 14:52
À : Reuel Amdur
Objet : Re: [homeles_ot-l] submission

I was just looking up some of these points and it appears some of these changes did in fact arrive during the Mike Harris CommonSense Revolution including the car allowance reduction to $5000 and the reduction of the earnings exemption to zero. It is true that the NDP made some changes to Welfare that were not supportive of clients and they did freeze increases for two years but it was after a benefits increase of 18%.The layman's medical disappeared when social assistance became Ontario Works and ODSP was created. It took years before the Activities of Daily Living form (Laymans medical lite) was reintroduced to the package for ODSP. Rae may have interrupted the practice of cost of living increases to social assistance with his 18% rate increase but it took 10 more years for the rates to be unfrozen after Harris reduced rates by 21% well into the Liberal mandate and even then increases have been spotty.
You are right, the NDP did not fulfill all our promises but I also understand the challenges they faced during that time with a recession and the right vilifying every move the made. 

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:09 AM, Reuel Amdur <amdurre2 at sympatico.ca> wrote:

I note that Allan did not take issue with any of the observations I made about what the NDP government did.  These things were not mainly in terms of the rates, except in the one instance of not making an increase.  

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De : Allan Moscovitch [mailto:AllanMoscovitch at Cunet.Carleton.Ca] 

Envoyé : 4 avril 2017 10:43

À : Marlene Koehler; Reuel Amdur

Cc : ATEH list serve

Objet : RE: [homeles_ot-l] submission

The history of what occurred in the support of people who were in need of social assistance during the Rae years was much more complex than can be or is presented by Reuel in this short piece. In the early months of the Rae government there was a window open for reform and many changes made were very positive. Then the window closed when the impact of the FTA and NAFTA hit Ontario, unemployment rose dramatically, government revenues fell and expenditures rose, creating a rapidly expanding deficit. Further, the Federal government limited funding for social assistance and social services under the CAP. By the time CAP was abolished in 1996, federal funding had dropped from 50% to less than 30%, an enormous impact during what was a federal government generated recession when social assistance was unfortunately becoming the biggest business in the province. Provincial finances went south rapidly, but even then the Rae government did continue to increase social assistance rates until the dependency rate (% of the population dependent on social assistance) reached levels not seen since the Depression. Nonetheless, there were opportunities for positive reform which were lost, so I do agree whole heartedly with the conclusion, that no government should be taken at its word alone. I am not sure that I would agree that every government is the enemy, but I do agree that governments that say they are intending to work according to social justice principles should be helped to it by an involved citizenry doing everything it can to push them in that direction. Everything from letter writing, phone calls, petitions, social media commentary to mass movements of people in the streets, all together play a role in influencing governments to act. 

Allan Moscovitch

From: homeles_ot-l [mailto:homeles_ot-l-bounces at list.web.net] On Behalf Of Marlene Koehler

Sent: April 4, 2017 10:16 AM

To: Reuel Amdur <amdurre2 at sympatico.ca>

Cc: ATEH list serve <homeles_ot-l at list.web.net>

Subject: Re: [homeles_ot-l] submission

Reuel,

My recollection was that the Rae government initially raised and then, faced with a continuing recession in which government workers had to forego some of their salary in "Rae days", froze the social assistance rates. 

And that it was the Mike Harris government that actually cut the rates - and significantly:  https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/04/26/its_time_to_end_the_erosion_of_public_assistance_in_ontario.html .

I'm not sure whether you're recommending Ontario keep its Liberal government, which has slowly liberalized some benefits (particularly work incentives). Or just demonstrating the importance of getting social democrats to commit to better reforms and holding them to account.

Marlene 

Heaven on Earth is a choice you must make, not a place you must find. -- Wayne Dyer. 

So, I support strategies to increase the supply of affordable housing, such as the Multifaith Housing Initiative <http://www.multifaithhousing.ca/>  and http://housing4all.ca/ .

On 3 April 2017 at 21:52, Reuel Amdur <amdurre2 at sympatico.ca> wrote:

    Canadian Charger

    Ontario’s NDP Government: A Sad History

    http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/cms/contributors/images/5/RA-new.jpg

    Reuel S. Amdur

    More by this author... <http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/page.php?cid=5&id=5> 

    The current official abandonment by political parties of concern for the poor, in their focus on "the middle class," calls to mind the Ontario NDP's disregard for the poor going back to the days when they were in power, from 1990 to 1995. At the time, I was working first at Seaton House, a men's shelter and residence operated by Toronto's welfare department, and then as a supervisor in Ottawa's welfare department.

    When Bob Rae’s NDP government was elected, those of us concerned about the poor thought we had died and gone to heaven.  Not.  Under Rae the poor endured one blow after another.  Prior to the Rae election, each December there was provision for a token amount added to the check as a Christmas bonus.  During Bob Rae’s term in office, the Christmas bonus was abolished across the province.

    As far as rates are concerned, prior to the Rae régime, each year it was practice to increase rates in recognition of changes in the cost of living.  Rae interrupted that practice.

    Then there is the matter of a form colloquially referred to as the layman’s medical.  This was a form that a welfare worker could fill out in aid of a client applying for disability benefits.  I remember being in a meeting with a physician who was on the Ottawa board which determined eligibility for such benefits.  He waxed enthusiastic about layman’s medical forms completed by Holly Murphy, an Ottawa welfare worker.  The form was the only designated input by the welfare worker about the condition of the client seeking designation as disabled.  The doctor’s comment was an indication of its potential impact, but the Rae government abolished it.  It became that much harder for someone to get the higher disability rate of assistance.

    Rae’s government also hit welfare recipients with cars.  They were allowed to have a car so long as its value was not greater than $5,000.  ($10,000 is the current limit.)  Welfare offices all began buying automotive red books, to determine the value of cars.  The regulation went on to specify what would happen if someone showed up with a car worth more than $5,000.  The person was given six months to dispose of the car.  In fact, burdened by a rule book bigger than the phone book, workers frequently failed to apply the regulation.  In her book Hope and Despair, Monia Mazigh describes her experiences in applying for welfare while she had a car.  The first time, she was told that she was not eligible till she got rid of the car.  The second time the worker ignored the car and put her on assistance.  There was a complicating factor that was never raised with welfare: it was not her car.  It was her husband’s, Maher Arar, who was in a Syrian prison at the time.  Fun and games with a stupid regulation.  The regulation is still in effect.

    Sponsored immigrants were a special target.  If a person applied for assistance because of a sponsorship breakdown, the immigrant’s assistance was dinged $50 a month.  There were a few exceptions, but, for example, if the sponsor had left the country the deduction still applied.  Fortunately, this regulation is now unpleasant history. 

    Another measure applied to new applicants for assistance.  While the rules for the amount that recipients may keep from any earnings on welfare vary from time to time, leaving recipients confused and fearful about any work, at one point the Rae government decreed that new applicants would be docked 100% of earnings for the first several months on assistance.  I remember one young man who had been on a federal make-work program in Kingston, silk-screening t-shirts.  He could not make a living at it and came to Ottawa and applied for welfare.  I told him about the rule.  He told me that he would not be looking for work for that period of time.

    The sad experience with Ontario’s NDP government carries an important lesson.  Do not be lulled to sleep by a government labelled NDP, or socialist, or social democratic.  Assume that, whatever government is elected, it is the enemy.  Make it prove otherwise.

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