[CANUFNET] Municipal tree ownership/responsibility
pwynnyczuk at richmondhill.ca
pwynnyczuk at richmondhill.ca
Fri Dec 23 12:03:14 EST 2011
When The Town crafted the Private tree Bylaw 41-07 or 1015, we had to
revised the Street Tree Bylaw 821 which was passed as 40-07 to make sure
there was clarity on application of the Private tree bylaw. This was
enacted under the 2006 Municipal Act.
http://code.municipalworld.com/richmondhill/821.pdf Street
Tree Bylaw
http://code.municipalworld.com/richmondhill/1015.pdf Private
Tree Bylaw
Both Bylaws were reviewed by the Town's Legal Section. There have to
date been several Court cases related to the Private Tree Bylaw, however
the Street Tree Bylaw is yet to be tested.
In short the By-law was vetted by our Legal Section staff at the time.
In my understanding at some time there were Municipal Bylaws passed under
the Forestry Act or the Municipal Act.
I suspect not all Provinces have the wording crafted the same for their
Forestry or Municipal Acts, therefore jurisdictional variation may occur..
However, it becomes a little muddled when you start taking on issues
related to Civil legal action outside of the bylaws related to trees where
precedent setting cases set the tone.
Regards,
Peter Wynnyczuk
Urban Forestry Supervisor
Town of Richmond Hill
Community Services Department
Telephone: 905 780-2930
Fax: 905 780-2928
Internet: pwynnyczuk at richmondhill.ca
From: "Philip van Wassenaer" <pwassenaer1022 at rogers.com>
To: "'Canadian Urban Forest Network'" <canufnet at list.web.net>
Date: 12/23/2011 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree ownership/responsibility
Sent by: canufnet-bounces at list.web.net
My thoughts exactly. That is what we have been hearing when talking to
municipal lawyers about this.
Peter have you had a discussion with Richmond Hill legal minds about this?
Philip van Wassenaer, B.SC., MFC
1248 Minnewaska Trail
Mississauga, Ontario
Canada, L5G 3S5
Tel: (905) 274-1022
Cell: (647) 221 3046
Fax: (905) 274 2170
www.urbanforestinnovations.com
From: canufnet-bounces at list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net]
On Behalf Of Julian Dunster
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:04 PM
To: Canadian Urban Forest Network
Subject: Re: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree ownership/responsibility
It will depend upon whether or not the provincial legislation supercedes
municipal bylaws, and whether or not the Act applies to municipal /
private land. It may be a mistake to assume that the Provincial act does
not apply until you know for sure. Even if it seems ridiculous, a judge
might find s/he had no option but to accept it in some situations.
On Behalf of Dunster and Associates Environmental Consultants Ltd.
Dr. Julian A Dunster R.P.F., M.C.I.P., ISA Certified Arborist,
ASCA Registered Consulting Arborist # 378,
PNWISA Certified Tree Risk Assessor # 1.
www.dunster.ca
On 22/12/2011 8:33 AM, pwynnyczuk at richmondhill.ca wrote:
It seems we are using to 2 different Acts to address the same issue,
Forestry Act and Municipal Act
The question posed was related to co-ownership between the Municipality
and the Private Land Owner.
As municipalities are empowered to create Bylaws under the Municipal Act,
typically this is the route chosen for tree issues.
I'm not clear on how many urban municipalities would use the Forestry Act
to base any tree bylaws on at this point.
Therefore the appropriate wording in the Bylaw, under the Municipal Act,
along with a policy and agreement program sounds like the way to go for
co-Municipal/ Private tree ownership. Reality being, until it is tested
in Court, its only a guideline in my understanding.
In light of the emerging EAB nightmare, this will become more critical
for all parties involved as the municipality has a tendency to have
greater risk for users of the roadway if tree failure at or near the
street line occurs.
Therefore, where there are close or shared trees someone will have to
decide on the significant costs/risks and who is responsible for action.
I went off topic but still very relevant......
Regards,
Peter Wynnyczuk
Urban Forestry Supervisor
Town of Richmond Hill
Community Services Department
Telephone: 905 780-2930
Fax: 905 780-2928
Internet: pwynnyczuk at richmondhill.ca
From: "Philip van Wassenaer" <pwassenaer1022 at rogers.com>
To: "'Stephen Smith'" <Stephen at ufora.ca>, "'Canadian Urban Forest
Network'" <canufnet at list.web.net>
Date: 12/22/2011 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree ownership/responsibility
Sent by: canufnet-bounces at list.web.net
What is that partial answer? To me the Forestry Act could only help for a
removal of a boundary tree?how do we define injury and if we can, how do
we define the loss to one owner when the other owner commits the offending
act? They both have rights to the tree.
Based on Alex?s comments our research and discussion we have had with
Dianne Saxe, the act is rarely enforced and if it is, compensation never
seems to amount to much. What we need is precedent setting case somewhere
that recognizes that ?trees have standing? and upholds the rights of a
tree owner to not have their property destroyed by something that only
benefits their neighbour?.
Maybe you can explain a little more Stephen how you have used the act in
practice, or the partial answer.
Cheers,
Philip van Wassenaer, B.SC., MFC
1248 Minnewaska Trail
Mississauga, Ontario
Canada, L5G 3S5
Tel: (905) 274-1022
Cell: (647) 221 3046
Fax: (905) 274 2170
www.urbanforestinnovations.com
From: canufnet-bounces at list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net]
On Behalf Of Stephen Smith
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:41 PM
To: Canadian Urban Forest Network
Subject: Re: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree ownership/responsibility
But it does provide a partial answer to what to do when one owner wants to
butcher a tree along a property line because he doesn?t want anything
overhanging his property and the other one wants to keep the tree healthy.
Stephen Smith
Urban Forest Associates Inc.
Urban Forestry and Ecological Restoration
www.ufora.ca
From: Alex Satel
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:48 AM
To: 'Canadian Urban Forest Network'
Subject: Re: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree ownership/responsibility
Terry,
Thanks for pointing this out, as it poses an interesting challenge to how
communities might define ?ownership? of trees.
Clearly this isn?t a legal analysis (as I?m not a lawyer), but it seems to
me that none of the by-law or policy definitions of tree ownership, as
defined by municipalities, are actually framed under this legislation, and
this appears to be the only law in Ontario that actually addresses how
tree ownership should be determined. The disconnect seems to be that a
municipality can?t actually claim ?ownership? over a tree if any part of
it is on a boundary line; by definition these trees are ?common property?
and I would think that both owners have equal rights to the tree. In
practice, I can only see this becoming an issue if the tree is scheduled
for removal by municipal crews without the co-owner?s consent. I suppose
this is why the City of Toronto and others request sign-off before they
undertake maintenance on shared trees.
An interesting issue, to be sure.
Thanks again to everyone for their responses. Keep ?em coming!
And thanks to Andy for his continual work moderating this list.
-Alex
Alex Satel, MFC
ISA Certified Arborist ON-1353A
Urban Forest Innovations Inc.
1248 Minnewaska Trail
Mississauga, ON L5G 3S5
T: (905) 274-1022
C: (416) 452-8054
asatel at ufis.ca
http://www.urbanforestinnovations.com
From: canufnet-bounces at list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net]
On Behalf Of Schwan, Terry (MNR)
Sent: December 20, 2011 8:53 AM
To: Canadian Urban Forest Network
Subject: Re: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree ownership/responsibility
Alex
In Ontario you should consider Section 10 of the Forestry Act.
Boundary trees
10. (1) An owner of land may, with the consent of the owner of adjoining
land, plant trees on the boundary between the two lands. 1998, c. 18,
Sched. I, s. 21.
Trees common property
(2) Every tree whose trunk is growing on the boundary between adjoining
lands is the common property of the owners of the adjoining lands. 1998,
c. 18, Sched. I, s. 21.
Offence
(3) Every person who injures or destroys a tree growing on the boundary
between adjoining lands without the consent of the land owners is guilty
of an offence under this Act. 1998, c. 18, Sched. I, s. 21.
Terry
Terry Schwan, R.P.F., M. Sc.
District Forester
Guelph District
Ministry of Natural Resources
One Stone Road West
Guelph, Ontario
N1G 4Y2
Phone: 519-826-4933
Fax: 519-826-4929
Email: terry.schwan at ontario.ca
From: canufnet-bounces at list.web.net [mailto:canufnet-bounces at list.web.net]
On Behalf Of Alex Satel
Sent: December 14, 2011 2:16 PM
To: 'Canufnet'
Subject: [CANUFNET] Municipal tree ownership/responsibility
Hello all,
I am interested to know how your community determines tree ownership and
assigns responsibility for maintenance, particularly with regard to street
trees.
Many communities operate on the principle that if 50% or more of the stem
is on public property, the tree is a City asset and a municipal
responsibility. Does your community work differently? If so, do you
maintain street trees if less than 50% of the stem is on municipal land,
or if only if the tree is wholly on City property? Has your community at
any point transitioned from one approach to another, and if so, did that
significantly change the workload for your forestry crews?
Any insights into this issue would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your
consideration, and best wishes for the holidays.
--Alex
Alex Satel, MFC
ISA Certified Arborist ON-1353A
Urban Forest Innovations Inc.
1248 Minnewaska Trail
Mississauga, ON L5G 3S5
T: (905) 274-1022
C: (416) 452-8054
asatel at ufis.ca
http://www.urbanforestinnovations.com
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